Anything Goes- even if it is occultic


In my time in the River, I saw a lot of things go on & heard about a lot of others:

here are a few

  • Kris V  has done a teaching on the ” The Holy Spirit  is our ultimate Spirit Guide”    I kid you not….  the precious one of all   reduced to the level of a demon..     a thousand YUKS!
  • There are also you tube clips of a BSSM student giving testimony about how SHE  forgave someone their sins before the guy died…  appalling ..   but if your underpinning belief is that you can do what Christ did –  & that you are becoming a little Jesus     you would believe this..
  • I watched another clip BJ   saying Jesus  was born again in hell….
  • Beni Johnson has a tuning fork too specaily tuned to a different frequency than other tuning forks  (ie not tuned to concert pitch A)  this other frequency  is supposed heal the DNA of people…   bearing in mind that there are 7 diffrent notes in a major musical scale  each one is assigned a special quality & relationship to each point in the Chakra…   this is new age to the core…      Beni will blog about how things prooved in the scientific community  indicate that  it  is God’s sovereignty at work – (he created it & we are just catching up with him)   
  •  I watched a vid of Bethel Students  meeting a woman who had known Lonnie Frisbee  back in the day – she apparently had acquired his art easel  & as it sat at her home she could feel the anointing coming from it..   she was telling this story very emotionally  & the meeting was concluded with the easel being brought onto the stage (presumably for the wow factor) & the students requesting   like group shouting of a double anointing of what Lonnie had…   “Double Double double”
  • Reports of  Bethel BSSM students lying on the Graves of famous dead revivalists in order to suck up their anointing . (Bethel is very into honouring men & women of God from the past  “God’s Generals”  & is building a museum on campus to house artefacts from past revivalists – anything from Smith Wigglesworth’s Bible to Kathryn Kuhlmans wedding dress..  They believe the anointing can be transfered)  This is NECROMANCY & DIVINATION when you believe that the dead or objects can transmit Spiritual power for your benefit
  • TAROT-   individuals are asked to randomly turn over or pick a card with either a scenic picture or a positive word  such as health or prosperity or restoring of relationships.  then they are asked what those things could mean to them, & are prayed or prophesied over for fulfillment of that thing.   If you believe the random selection of a card determines what you should receive on a spiritual/mystical basis  the spirit behind it is SUPERSTITION.   
  • Impartation:    these people are very concerned with all & everyone receiving what they feel they have – the power & the Glory of God.    they literally pray down the  “Glooooray”  they just pray for everyone present in the manner of the Guru  releasing shaktipat…  it is an “anointing” alright…   but it is not of God..   Im very very careful now  about laying hands on & who touches me…
Anything goes:   all we have to do is  SAY it is of the Spirit of God  & that makes it so –    as clearly  the bible is not our final authority if we feel going “off the map” is acceptable..   “off the map” in this context  is going waaaay  outside the boundaries of scripture….  therefore the logical conclusion is that the scripture is pretty meaningless  & irrelevant except as a historical reference point.    YUK !  (oh &  they have thrown out logical thinking too as it is not of the spirit  i was told “strategy” is a dirty word)
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61 thoughts on “Anything Goes- even if it is occultic

  1. This article is both false and disgraceful. If you think they may have demons then why not go cast them out ? Where’s the love? Who put you in charge of policing the body of Christ. Where’s your pulpit? How many healing have you had? How many captives set free? Sounds more like an attempt to enslave in legalism. Den of vipers!

    • Gwen I’m sad to see you feel this way. I’d like to ask you a couple of probing questions.. you ‘ve said ” where is the love”. ? Well to date on this blog I’ve not noticed any poster take a side swipe at any one individuals character. Is it not loving to point out that there are errors in behaviours & practice. ? This movement anchors itself on the concept of unity &/or alignment. This means that anything at all these big names preach & teach & expect can’t be questioned….. & if so there is as you have demonstrated here am accusation of being unloving.

      Remember that apostle Paul tells us to test all things… Well how can this be achieved in a closed down mind set of a belief system that doesn’t allow that ( & appropriates fear & condemnation if one does).

      This blog is my pulpit if you like. Everyone who comes by is completely free to embrace or reject the stance we have here. & I’m ok with that. As for policing this movement, well now, doesn’t iron sharpen iron? & if we a commanded in scripture to weigh, test & measure all things that makes our activities here quite biblical. I feel I need no further permission

  2. without realising it I used the term “anything goes” which is also the title of a musical by Cole Porter, based in part on Aimee Semple Macpherson – Healing revivalist of the 1920s/30s & revered by the Bethellites as a pioneer of revival – also faked her own death, probably in order to have an illicit love affair (whilst still in ministry)

    yep anything really does go!

  3. Hi Timothy,

    I found the article but I can’t read it as they want you to subscribe to their site.
    Is it possible to copy the article here?
    Thanks 🙂

    • Google a testimony how I escaped bill johnsons cult. The letter printed by the record searchlight is towards the bottom. Beyond that I had a conversation with kim about my past experience with wicca and how witchcraft parallels much of bethels practices.

      • Timothy,

        it would be helpful if you could post I direct link, meanwhile I have kim’s blog listed on the blogroll & shofar B’s testimony – listed under testimonies, scroll down the right hand sidebar of my home page to find it.. blessings z

  4. I live in Redding and I went to Bethel church to find out about bssm activities. I asked an information desk clerk if grave sucking is something being taught at bssm. He told me that bssm doesn’t teach that. Students do that on their own. I asked him why don’t Bill Johnson put a stop to that. He just shrugged his shoulders. I also asked him about orb chasing.it turns out that he does it himself. Speaking as a former wiccan I then informed him that this is of the occult. Wiccans knew orbs as sprites and there have been accounts of sprites showing up during ritual and spellwork. They are the fairies and nature spirits according to pagan legends. All I could do was tell him to be careful and reconsider his actions. Otherwise, the church itself was mostly a concert. And they even have a starbucks coffee shop inside the church and its open even during services. Whats next a Burger King ? Anyway, this is what I found out about Bethel church in Redding Ca and they are taking over our town.

    • “They told me that Bethel church doesn’t teach that” WHAT?!?! they most certainly do…I attended the “church” for two years (I know, two years of my life wasted…) Either that guy is outright lying to avoid notoriety (Bethel “church” has enough..) or he doesn’t know very much about the organization (Or Bethel “church” just took a 180, which I doubt…) The years I attended it. The leaders would talk about their experiences (Chris Gore, for example) and how they do things like “getting anointing” from an old pen of some “evangelist” or lying on the graves of someone. There’s lots of proof of this from YouTube videos. Bethel Church and Christianity Facebook page posts them on a regular basis, if you want to look that up.

      • I understand your reaction about the information desk clerk. But please understand that Im only a messenger and he was the best I could get at the time. I left out of there shaking my head in pitty for such nice and kind people that are caught in this trap. This is what makes this whole thing tragic. But how about bible based churches forming a united front to save otherwise sincere christians as well as unbelievers from cults such as bethel? Something needs to be done and sooner is better than later.

      • Jupeter24, along with people speaking in tongues and having prophet’s on hand isn’t bethel also supposed have people gifted by the holy spirit to discern spirits? Have you ever heard of bethel having someone with such a gift?

  5. Bethel is a cult. It would be better to pray for the souls that go to bethel, especially the young among them. Let us all pray for them and that god exposes bethel in the media someday to prevent more souls from falling to hell because of them. Let us pray for the deliverence of these victims especially as cults never end well.

    • Hi Timothy,

      interesting to hear your views… we have a page on the blog detailing cults/cultic behaviour… personally Im not prepared to say if Bethel is a cult ( although it may well turn out to be ) wondering if you would detail out why you think this is so as it would be helpful to other visitors of the blog in making informed choices… we need to bottom out our reasoning with a bit of clarity…

      my preference would be, rather than praying for exposure of falseness here would be to pray that God’s glory be revealed… any public exposing that needs to be done will occur naturally.. we don’t need to get bogged down in negativity; having said that I obviously feel the discussions we have on this blog & other places go along way in exposing falseness.. & we are playing a part here but at the same we need to keep very biblical & not stray into the realms of praying against or for the downfall of others.. just being mindful of how to balance out application of scriptural precedents…

      yes Cults never end well… & if anyone feels they are in one – they should leave ASAP…

      • I most certainly believe that praying to expose bethel is necessary to prevent more people from falling to hell with them. The best part about this is if bethel is not a cult the prayer won’t be answered. But if they are gods glory will shine by the exposure of them. What can it harm? Heres why I think bethel is a cult. They have a starbucks coffee shop inside the church and its open during services. Trivial but still wrong. They celebrate christmas and other pagan holidays and traditions along with pagan symbols inside their church. And there is a

        bsolutely no excuse for grave sucking, prayer tarot cards and orb chasing. Im a former wiccan and this is how I know that these things are of the left hand path. Otherwise, Jim Jones followers were peaceful too and right up to the point when they drunk the poisoned kool aid. This is a serious situation that really does call for serious prayers for gods intervention in this matter.

    • Since you still live in Redding, I have a friend you might want to talk to – he is a business owner in Redding, CA. I ran into him and randomly started talking to him about Bethel stuff while I was in the process of leaving the “church” He is a great resource and has lots of stories/examples re: Bethel “church” since he & his sibling attended there briefly when they were new believers.

      If you email me bethelchurchrefuge@yahoo.com, I can give you his info.

      • Jupeter24, I got a little surprise for you. On easter sunday I got a letter printed in the local paper about bethel. Google record searchlight letters to the editor and click to Timothy J.Duffy beware of bethels practices. Let me know what you think of it. Peace be with you.

      • This whole matter of bethel has hit home with me. I got a friend whose attending bssm whom we ended our relations badly and it is my fault for that. Things that I would very much apologize for as words were said by me that shouldn’t be said. But I still have unconditional love for April and all those who attend bethel and bssm as they are victims of a cult. I don’t want to see them going to hell for it and thats why Im willing to do my role to prevent that. One of these was my suprise to see my letter about bethel printed in the record searchlight newspaper on easter sunday. It was about my conversation with the information desk clerk about grave sucking, prayer tarot cards and orb chasing and his answeres to my questions about these things at bethel church. What do I hope to achieve by this? That the citizens of Redding be aware of whats going on with bethel, discuss it and especially for our local bible based churches to form a united front to rebuke bethels practices and with love. These are my hopes. The rest is now up to the citizens of Redding and we’ll see what happens. I’ll keep everybody informed about whats happening right in our front yards. Timothy J.Duffy.

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  8. More on grave sucking here:
    http://extravagantbliss.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/kathryn-kuhlmans-grave-adventure.html?m=0
    Kathryn Kuhlman’s Grave Adventure
    Oh man…..it’s been awhile since I posted..so many exciting things have happened and I kind of feel like kickin’ myself in the booty not keeping you updated..

    So I will start one thing at a time. I just got back from an amazing trip to Southern California. Have I ever mentioned how much I love So Cal!? It is one of my favorite places on the planet! No exaggeration! So CAL is the real deal.

    Our agenda was this: to go to the Reinhard Bonnke impartation breakfast.
    But we couldn’t just go to the impartaion breakfast.
    We needed to visit Skid Row, hangout with my new friends I met in Nebraska, have revival, everywhere we go, visit graves, get whacked and have miracles.. so cheers to one of the best weekends of my life.
    But let me first yell, “REVIVAL FIRE” at the top of my presence filled lungs.
    Alright. I feel better, time to write.

    I made the twelve hour drive from Redding to Laguna Viejo with two amazing guys from second year, Kevin Franklin and Korey Golbienko. We had an amazing time prophesying over people being happy and spreading revival fire down the west coast. We then met up with our friends who we were staying with Cami who I met in Nebraska (her husband Steven, family, and church leadership team) aside from the breakfast I was privileged to stay at this CRAZY revivalist familys’ house who I adore! That night I ate Chillis for the first time in my life, weird I KNOW! I finally feel like an American 😉

    The next day Kevin, Korey, and I headed to LA on the agenda was revival and an impartation from Kathryn Kuhlman and Aimee Simple McPherson. Who if you don’t know are two pioneering women who walked in great levels of intimacy with God and miracles in their days. We believe that God transfers gifts and anointings through many Biblical ways two being the laying on of hands and honor. So we went their just to worship God and honor their lives and what God did in and through them.

    So we went to visit their graves at Woodlawn cemetery and after getting directions on where Kathryn’s grave was, the man told us we wouldn’t be able to obtain the key and that he actually wasn’t suppose to give us the information on the location of the grave that he gave us. We went to the location to find a thick metal locked door and a ten foot high brick wall, with a few thousand graves inside. We didn’t have the key and four different trucks with graveyard workers were starring us down. So I told Kevin to follow me, we went for a walk to another location where the workers couldn’t see us. Then I told him my plan, I said I know I can pick that lock. Do you have an extra card like an atm card or something that you wouldn’t mind if I reuined. Kevin then handed me his library card and I knew this was the “golden ticket.” We listened for the four white trucks to pull away. It was then we made our stride toward the gate. I asked him to keep the look out and with just a swipe of the card we were in. But there was so many graves. What should we do to find it!? It was then that Kevin went on his Iphone and looked up how to find it, he was redirected to findagrave.com where he found a picture of the grave that helped us find it. So we all laid on the grave and thanked God for what He did in Kathryn Kuhlman’s life and the level of His Presence that she walked in and we thanked Him for it! And asked Him to do it again and more in our lives and He did and will continue to do so in ours and yours!

    • Thanks SBG

      This practice of laying on a grave to either suck up the anointing or pray that God would transfer one anointing from a dead revivalist to a modern day BSSM one – is really really entrenched… I think what we are seeing now is not one or two rogue elements copying an extreme end of an idea but is expected & accepted in this movement.. if it were in the slightest bit controversial or dodgy in the senior leadership’s opinion, the advice would be NOT to do it & certainly not to Blog or post about it as “spiritual adventures or supernatural exploits” sadly we are seeing the very opposite…

      I am noticing that they seem to be NOT praying to the sainted dead revivalist, but seeking God for that same old anointing or mantle.. still it is idolatry.

      Romans 15: v17 – 20 Paul says:

      therefore I glory in Christ Jesus in my service to God. I will NOT venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the gentiles (people) to obey God by what I have said & done. by the power of signs & wonders, through the power of the spirit, so from Jerusalem all the way around to Illyricum I have fully proclaimed the Gospel of Christ.. It has always been my ambition to preach the Gospel where Christ was not Known, so that I would not be building on someone else’s foundation.

      Laying on a dead persons grave is a dead end… it does nothing in terms of helping Christ be known…

    • I’m a retired missionary, church planter and pastor in the UK…Toronto brought more division and fallout than the charismatic house movement of the early 7o’s…and this delusion now rampant in the churches is Toronto rehashed and yet the deception is even deeper. Bill Johnson being so “sober” and credible …unlike his disciples who are operating under another spirit.? The tradegy with deception is that those who are in it do not know it.

      I went to a “Revival Outpouring” this month in a town near me in the West Midlands…I walked out ashamed, and angry part way through I at least stayed to listen to the speaker my wife left part way through the “worship” she is a worship leader and she could not stay in such a meanningless din…the “worship” derg was uninspiring certainly not worshipful Christ focused or in Spirit and in truth rather, boring not just to me, the rest of the congregation had a spirit of slumber and stupour on them, certainly not Christ centred. The speaker was more like a second rate stand up comedian, performing like John Cleese (the ministry of silly walks) and the old style Rodney Howard Brown of the mid 90’s nothing new under the sun(God’s Holy Ghost bar tender) It was a disgrace to the name of the Lord…certainly no bread from heaven, nothing to feed and build up the new man…The spirit he operated and performed under/ in was certainly not the Holy Spirit, his pretended antics and performance were a sham, the hungry went away still hungry, just husks, jokes and theatrical performance how empty and blasphemous a thing to deceive people that his fooling around and falling over was the results of him being filled with the Holy Spirit…rubbish!

      My heart smarts and breaks that the name of Jesus is being discredited, the Holy Spirit is being blasphemed and a whole generation is being duped and deceived…the Holy Spirit’s presence is grieved and quenched it seems before a chord is struck up…I long for God’s presence to come and fill hungry hearts and I long to see His glory breaking in on our meetings in holy hush, awe and life-transforming glory, I long for the Shekinah glory to come again yet no amount of unholy fire in our religious censors will do that…when will we learn that the craked cisterns we have sought to fabricate and superimpose on the church are no substitute for the Fount of living water…oh for a prophetic voice to stop the rot, to expose the deception…in my 45 years I have been through seasons of revival, I am writing a book on revival, I was birthed in the Charismatic move…with you I witness that this deception that many are mindlessly running after is not the Holy Spirit…He comes to lift up Jesus and in so doing men and women turn to Him, Jesus the one we have come to love and adore serve and worship…Lord forgive us…help this childish generation of guilable pleasure seekers to grow up and in understanding to become men/women, this mindlessness is soulish, not spiritual ,understanding comes by the intuative operation of the newly created spirit inspired by the Holy Spirit. Where soulishness rules and the flesh dominates there you will find demonic invasion and intrusion…God deliver us…let mercy triumph over judgement.

      Zazzy…I am loosing “friends” and being crossed off of Christmas card lists by the month just like you… thank you for the Rooftops and Rafters praying that the Lord will use it to rescue more from the slippery road into the occult and eventually the scap heap…I am not an evangelical cessationist but a Holy Spirit filled disciple who loves God’s word, and even more God’s word made flesh, Jesus, and even more God’s word made flesh in me by the Holy Spirit who indwells me…where would we all be without the cross?

      What a shame about this sad deluded dude in the previous post out of the mouths of babes …this generation have been sold and shortchanged- the bowl of pottage for the birthright…

      Zazzy – Love your site…may it be used to pluck many a brand from the burning…

      • Thank you David, yes where indeed would we be without the cross.. this is our starting point & our finishing point & everything in between.

        we are standing with you in the pain of losing friends.. however difficult this is & I certainly know it is, we have to stand or Jesus no matter what & if that means losing our friends & family – that’s the price… Jesus our prize is worth it..

        please be so so blessed & do keep in touch

        Z

    • You do notice that bethels hope is to bring heaven down to earth, right? The hope should be that god brings himself down to earth so that we can love and be with him. We need churches that are god centered and not people centered.

  9. Well done, Michael! May God open their eyes so they can see the truth behind what Bill Johnson&Co has to offer.
    God bless you and keep fighting the good fight.

  10. sadly – through researching an entirely different topic I came across this occult symbol:

    http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tAwFQjpv-8I/TdtmcgbFYpI/AAAAAAAACc0/BsLHh2exWKY/s400/LuciferianWitchcraft.com_chaos%252Bsymbol.jpg&imgrefurl=http://newjerusalemchronicle.blogspot.com/2011/05/toby-mac-and-third-day-more-examples-of.html&h=340&w=300&sz=12&tbnid=BOALpbXa0_BobM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=79&prev=/search%3Fq%3DLuciferian%2Bchaos%2Bsymbol%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=Luciferian+chaos+symbol&usg=__ht4H1nYGqtm52zYvK19vyg_p1xw=&docid=t1j6BDkqBEhxPM&sa=X&ei=yjj2UbPhNsKf0QXXnoH4Ag&ved=0CDoQ9QEwAQ&dur=321

    immediately I wondered where I have seen something like this before — on checking I found it…

    it is the Logo of London School of Supernatural Ministry…. see for yourself http://www.ilssm.org.uk/ minus the pentagram

    this school is virtually a carbon copy of BSSM — students do everything in London that you would find in Redding… some of the teaching sessions are through DVDs of BJ & KV & other Bethel leaders

    here’s the thing — these people are super anointed – highly prophetic everything a “sign” from God… it is unlikely then that they would have chosen a logo without prayerful insight… it becomes completely obvious that these leaders have been duped by the deception of demons pretending to be the voice of the Holy Spirit….

    how do prophetic people so awash in the presence of everything holy – not discern something amiss

    in the occult a circle with a dot in is a highly significant symbol – it relates to the all seeing eye- the sun god ra… double circles – a circle within a circle also has significance…

    now Im quite sure – that the guys over at LSSM would defend their decision to use such a logo in the context of “everything belongs to God & we are claiming it back”

    unfortunately tho guys, in the occult scene – luciferians believe symbols have more than meaning – they have occult power – using them invokes the power of darkness- why would you want to have anything that satanists believe can do that – when you outwardly say you would want to have nothing to do with it & everything to do with a Holy God?

    many times we see occult symbology modified – to hide in plain site as a code to indicate where allegiance really lies & to attract other occultists…

    well if thats the case — Im busting your secret wide open

    keep away from LSSM — they are obviously not as “prophetic” or discerning as they make out

  11. David & Stephanie Herzog are part of this same crowd-

    here is the blurb from one of their teachings:

    Learn how to plug in and charge your DNA, as Stephanie call’s it, – your Divine Nature of Abba!
    -Learn what will hinder you from activating and utilizing your Divine Nature of Abba, and how to stop and recognize it.
    -Allow God to “detoxify” and cleanse you so nothing stands in your way to walk into your destiny.
    -What it means to activate dormant strands of DNA and use what you were created with.
    -Learn how to supernaturally sharpen your skills in God – doing things you never realized you could do…but in the Glory realm anything is possible!
    And much more!

  12. another comment, same article

    “t has taken me many years to recover from my mis-adventurers as a charismatic active in the Jesus Movement. I, along with almost everyone else involved in what was a genuine awakening, thought that anything and everything supernatural was from God. We did see healings and demons cast out during the period of the Jesus Movement (I was in San Francisco) from 1967 to 1972. Before and after those dates, there were few conversions, and very rarely any healings or deliverances from demons. But plenty of the supernatural continued and have now become normalized among pentecostals. However, there is a big difference and my view of it is that the lot is a distortion of Biblical truth and distraction from the simple proclaimation of the Gospel of Christ. There is great error going on in all of this, which will become plain at some point due to a combination of the failure of the leaders and the failure of their prophecies to come true. Additionally, the lust for power, spiritual or not, always ends in confusion and futility. This that is under discussion here, and I am glad for it, is driven by a lust for power and position and noteriety.” Kent Philpott

  13. some interesting comments on this website here. http://rollanscensoredissuesblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/false-prophets-powers-of-addiction-and.html

    (also interesting article)

    joeysue said:

    “I’m so glad you published this! I was just at a Herzog gathering and It felt just like my old new age “stuff” that I used to practice. I am a new Christian with a background in witchcraft, self proclaimed new age manifestation,yoga and Buddhism (in that order). I was blown away at the parallel’s between Herzog and New age quantum manifestations (that are actually alive and well in yoga, thus not so new age) that are being practiced. The only thing different from Herzog was the, “in Jesus name” tacked to the end of it. I found it to be based out of a “self-willed” miracle experience rather than a “God’s- will” patience and faith perspective. I was thinking to myself that this guy is either introducing something the christians need or he is the anti-christ. I couldn’t make the distinction while it was happening due to the fantastic energy happening in the room, that is undeniable. After returning home I was able to be alone in meditation and realized that it was too small of a message to be from the highest, hair growth and gold teeth??? He did have the same quotes of “unpaid actors” and the same miracles over and over. I am a miracle, I have survived disasters and a life of oppression, to come out a free loving believer in the power of God. There is no way the people who attend his rallies who have no experience with witchcraft or new age manifesting could see or feel the parallel. I feel like I want to do something to warn them but I am not quite sure what. I was comforted to read your BLog, you put the words there I was looking for… ” Thanks JS13

  14. Sticking coins to the wall by the power of FAITH

    has it really come to the point where we have reduced our great God to be marvelled as a mere parlour trickster? shameful decepetion…

    & the explanation

  15. Patricia King in her book: “CREATE YOUR WORLD” “Activating your God-given power to create realms and atmospheres”

    The biophoton field is a created realm of light within the body that radiates beyond it and goes wherever we go.

    Church we need to know that this is leading to the acceptability of “Auras” around people & interpreting what they mean…

    someone asked me yesterday – based on a comment about “seeing the anointing”.. about “auras”

    I think we will see this in the church in the next 5-7 years.

    if leaders in the River movement can justify “it” scientifically – they will conclude that God has created IT & if so it belongs to him & can be adopted for his glory…

    • When they speak of realms and to create things in them this reminds me of the astral plane in witchcraft. In witchcraft the astral plane are all the spirit worlds which has every religion that man has ever thought of and where people will go when they die or astral project according to that belief. And its been said to witches and magicians that in order to create reality in this world you must first create it in the astral plane as a result from ritual and spellwork. The above could very well be patricia kings version of the astral plane and its being associated with God. I used to be a wiccan and so I can identify such things. Blessings.

  16. THE TUNING FORK: 528 Hz DNA REPAIR

    totally more in common with ancient mysticism – reworked for modern day new age thinking & pagan ritualism… This has nothing to do with our Holy God & his word… How does this promote Jesus…..? It doesn’t.

    Miracles and Transformation – The third note of the original 6 Sacred Solfeggio frequencies.

    DNA repair refers to a collection of processes by which a cell identifies and corrects damage to the DNA molecules, damage by chemical and physical agents in the environment or genetics. Dr. Lee Lorenzen, a world renowned biochemist working with water crystallization methods to rejuvenate DNA says “I was intrigued by the frequencies of the healing codes. The third frequency is well known to scientists working on DNA repair.” Dr. Lorenzen believes this ‘528’ frequency might be beneficial in delaying aging. Geneticists have been using this frequency for quite a long time for fixing DNA and neutralizing possible defects in inherited genetic code.

    Ÿ Used to return human DNA to its original, perfect state.
    Ÿ Disturbances of crystal structure of water molecules in the cellular fluid, returning the DNA to its original structure
    Ÿ Extraordinary effect when used with DNA activations
    Ÿ By communicating the wanted effect and with energy support from the “light” – miracles will happen (Miraculi Gestorum)
    Ÿ Process of DNA reparation is followed by numerous beneficial effects – increased amount of life energy, clarity of mind, awareness, awakened or activated creativity, ecstatic states like deep inner peace and fulfilment or ecstasy of joy, dance and celebration.
    Opens the person for deep spiritual experiences and spiritual enlightenment. It is the frequency for Universal love.

    SACRED SOLFEGGIO TUNING FORKS

    WHERE DID THEY COME FROM?

    Solfeggio frequencies were sound frequencies used in Gregorian chants, one of which was the great hymn of St. John the Baptist. The special tones of the Solfeggio frequency were used to unite man with his maker. They did this by undoing all the conditions and conditioning that cause separation from source, be it physical, mental or spiritual.
    The Solfeggio frequencies were so effective that they could have undermined the power of the church at the time so they were conveniently “lost” and went into oblivion for a very long time.

    It was due to Dr Joseph Puleo that the Solfeggio frequencies were rediscovered. This is explained in the book “Healing codes for the Biological Apocalypse” by Dr Leonard Horowitz.

    Dr Joseph Puleo was a naturopathic physician and one of America’s leading herbalists, who began his research of the Solfeggio frequencies in the mid 1970’s. In his examination of the Bible, following guided messages and visualisations he found in Genesis: Chapter 7, Verses 12-83, that there were a pattern of six repeating codes around a series of sacred numbers, 3, 6 and 9. When he deciphered these using the ancient Pythagorean method of reducing the verse numbers to their single digit integers, the codes revealed a series of six electromagnetic sound frequencies that correspond to the six missing tones of the ancient Solfeggio scale.

    The Solfeggio frequencies contain the six pure tonal notes that were once used to make up the ancient musical scale, until, it has been presumed, they were altered by the Catholic Church and Pope Gregory I, (better known as “Gregory the Great”), who served from 590 to 604 AD. The Church claims that they have “lost” 152 of these amazing ancient Gregorian chants. One of those sacred chants, however, known as, “The Hymn to St. John the Baptist,” has re-emerged. It has become known as the most inspirational hymn ever written and features all six Solfeggio notes.

    These are the Solfeggio frequencies:

    UT – 396 Hz – Liberating Guilt and Fear
    RE – 417 Hz – Undoing Situations and Facilitating Change
    MI – 528 Hz – Transformation and Miracles (DNA Repair – Repair – and derives from the phrase “MI-ra gestorum” in Latin meaning “miracle”. This is the exact frequency used by genetic biochemists to repair broken DNA – the genetic blueprint upon which life is based)
    FA – 639 Hz – Connecting/Relationships
    SOL – 741 Hz – Awakening Intuition
    LA – 852 Hz – Returning to Spiritual Order

    INTERPRETATION OF SACRED SOLFEGGIO FREQUENCIES

    It is also thought that secret Solfeggio tones allegedly represent sound frequencies which were used to create the Universe (God created the world in six days, and rested on the seventh), those frequencies may have been used in religious ceremonies to facilitate healing, bring back harmony, awareness and connectedness with all-encompassing Spirit, God or Source.

    http://www.suarasoundhealing.com/tuningforkinformation.htm

  17. Bill Johnson came to UK last week at a conference. Here is a photo of him at the grave of a saint:

    One interesting comment on photo:
    (from: Harrogate New Life Church page on Facebook)

    Sue Smith: have laid on this grave ourselves..
    Monday at 16:31 · Like

    So…..he must have went there with something in mind…..hmmmm….I wonder….

  18. This is Ben Armstong BSSM pastor at Bethel.. & self proclaimed mystic

    in this vid he talks about Angelic visitation & making it permissible for Christians to talk to the dead which is forbidden in scripture.. He justifies this by saying that they are part of the great cloud of witnesses & when the “presence (of God)” comes – they also too will be present.. – it follows then we can interact with them right…?

    WRONG? very very Wrong

    notice too, the strong masonic undertones..

    this is the level of the status & honour given to dead revivalists that these leaders are into

    • The title of this segment reads “Ben Armstrong … self proclaimed mystic”. I have searched this site and the Internet and I cannot find anything that verifies the claim that he is a self proclaimed mystic. Is someone able to show me where he, not someone else, says that he is a mystic?

      • Hi Michael that is a fair point – as it would be unfair to say such a thing if it were not true.. however, I had originally done so as this is exactly how he was described in his staff profile published on Bethels own website on their staff pages.. had it not have been I would have not used the term..

        I have just checked it out & of course they have updated the profiles: he is now described as a Revivalist – equipping people with the tools to bring in the Kingdom of God & to live supernaturally..

        so the question we must ask is what are these “tools” – ? when weighed against the scriptures something is so off here as Jesus said that his kingdom was NOT of this world & that the Kingdom of God is NOT coming with something observable…

        my feeling is that these ambigious “tools” of the Kingdom can only be understood once Bethel have taught them to individuals – through BSSM courses – prophetic revelations (from people in the know) & piecing together various elements from the writings of their senior leadership team… all of this in one way or another involves the spending of (your) money to access it.. if that’s the case, & lets not forget many many are visiting Bethel from all over the world specifically to “receive” life changing impartation & taking it home… it looks like this is in the arena of “secret teachings” of which Bethellites are further along in & so at base level these can only be gleaned from there & from other people who have completely fully embraced it all.

        Im sure you will have already realised that Secret teachings – things that are NOT from the word of God – or extensions of biblical concepts in extreme twistings from scripture are in fact Gnosticism

        & the practice of “doing things” ringing bells – repetitive shouting/chanting – using swords symbolically & other such oddities specifically done to “achieve” a result or to bring in the Kingdom Of God – this is mysticism…

      • Hi Zazzy,

        Thank you for clarifying the source of that comment. I think that I will send him and email and ask him if he ever called himself a mystic. I will let you know if I discover anything.

  19. This is from a Church in UK:

    “Activating Your Five Spiritual Senses

    As believers we want to be able to sense what God is saying and doing. Jesus only did what he saw the Father doing, so how can we be more like Jesus?

    This school will equip you to develop your spiritual senses. Miranda and Jerame Nelson will join us to take you on a journey to discover more about how to connect with heaven.

    This School will cover the following topics:

    1. Activating Your Sense of Sight – A closer look at seeing in the spirit with God, through visions, dreams, trances, and face to face encounters.
    2. Activating Your Sense of Sound – A closer look at the voice of God, as well as the sounds of heaven.
    3. Activating Your Sense of Touch – A closer look at a sensitivity to God’s touch and presence.
    4. Activating Your Sense of Taste – A closer look at the sense of taste in the Holy Spirit
    5. Activating Your Sense of Smell – A closer look at the sense smell in the Holy Spirit”

  20. Sometimes you have to punch the devil out of people ……. BSSM student

    really? doesn’t that negate the power of the cross?

    & why would you need to go to a gravesite if there really is no distance in the spirit? – unless you believe of course that those bones/graves hold some sort of spiritual power Holy Spirit power or Magical thinking????

    • This is my messege to those that are going to bethel church and bssm who may be reading this. Please, I beg of you, escape them. It doesn’t matter if bill johnson is well versed in the bible or not. The devil knows the bible, too and it only takes a little truth to support big lies. What does matter is all of bethels actions of grave sucking, prayer tarot cards and orb chasing. These things are not of God and it goes against the bible. For instance, if that cloud that manifests in bethel church was of God your knees would bleed for how fast you would kneel before him in absolute fear. I love all of you and I don’t want to see any of you going to hell for following a false prophet as God would have no choice but to judge you if you were to die right now. Please, reconsider bethel and bssm. Escape and be with God for real.

  21. Doesn’t this just expose the heart:

    It’s not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.” Matthew 15v11

    • Lynny said:

      Do these people on the video think they’re Christ by their “declaring or creating”

      Yes! Bill Johnson said of Jesus :, “He performed miracles, wonders, and signs, as a man in right relationship to God . . . . not as God. If He performed miracles because He was God, then they would be unattainable for us” therefore its all there for us to grab hold of!

      BJ embraces a doctrine that teaches that during His earthly ministry Jesus operated only as a man and not God. Johnson claims that Christ laid aside His divinity.

      so yep the implication is that we are so co creating with God- we are raised up to the level of almost deity & Jesus is seemingly lowered to be mere man.. in the view of the Bethellites.

      • Recently I discovered that a church in our area was offering courses offered by Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry. When I looked at the doctrinal statement for this church I discovered that it appeared to be sound as it relates to the deity of Jesus Christ. For the past few months I have been gathering information on Bethel/Bill Johnson and sensed that I needed to send some of it to this church to open its eyes. I received a nice note back from the pastor, thanking me for the “heads up”, and said that the elders would be discussing the matter in October.

        For your information, here is what I sent to the church/pastor.

        As you know, the truth of the Word of God is under increasing attack with the proliferation of heresy. In April of this year I became aware of a particular heresy and I spent a major part of many weeks learning as much as I could about it and about one of the pastors who taught this doctrine. What follows are just some of the things that he believes and teaches; quotes from the books that he has written.

        He performed miracles , wonders , and signs , as a man in right relationship to God…not as God. If He performed miracles because He was God, then they would be unattainable for us.

        Jesus had NO supernatural capabilities whatsoever. Jesus laid aside his divinity.

        The anointing Jesus received at his baptism was the equipment necessary to make it possible for Jesus to live beyond human limitations.

        The outpouring of the Spirit also needed to happen to Jesus for Him to be fully qualified. This was His quest. Receiving this anointing qualified Him to be called the Christ, which means “anointed one.” Without the experience [the anointing] there could be no title.

        Christ is not Jesus’ last name. The word Christ means “Anointed One” or “Messiah.” It is a title that points to an experience. It was not sufficient that Jesus be sent from heaven to earth with a title. He had to receive the anointing in an experience to accomplish what the Father desired. The word anointing means “to smear.” The Holy Spirit is the oil of God that was smeared all over Jesus at His water baptism. The name Jesus Christ implies that Jesus is the One smeared with the Holy Spirit.

        Those who feel safe because of their intellectual grasp of Scriptures enjoy a false sense of security. None of us has a full grasp of Scripture, but we all have the Holy Spirit. He is our common denominator who will always lead us into truth. But to follow Him, we must be willing to follow off the map—to go beyond what we know.

        …The outpouring of the Spirit comes to anoint the church with the same Christ anointing that rested upon Jesus in His ministry so that we might be imitators of Him…

        The spirit of antichrist is at work today, attempting to influence believers to reject everything that has to do with the Holy Spirit’s anointing…

        The antichrist spirit has a goal for the Church – embrace Jesus apart from the anointing. Without the anointing, He becomes a safe religious figure who is sure not to offend us…How can people who love God be offended by the anointing of the Holy Spirit?

        There are other heresies that he teaches that you will be able to uncover for yourself, if you choose to do so. I have also determined that this pastor embraces the doctrine of the New Apostolic Reformation, a movement that really troubles me. The pastor that I am referring to is Bill Johnson from Bethel Church, Redding, CA.

        I see that your church offers a program that was developed at Bill Johnson’s church and this concerns me deeply because I firmly believe that your Christology is far removed from Bill Johnson’s Christology. There is a possibility that you are aware of the fact that your doctrinal views are miles apart but have still chosen to use the program that has its basis in the teaching of Bethel Church. If that is the case, then it is your choice to use the program and it is none of my business. If, on the other hand, you are unaware of the teaching of Bill Johnson/Bethel Church, then I can understand why I sensed a prompting of the Lord to start this dialog with you.

      • Hi Michael glad you could comment- well done for standing up for truth in your particular circumstances… The bottom line of all of this as you have correctly identified – is how Jesus is viewed & worshipped in spirit & in in truth- if he is considered a mere man for our benefit there is something so so wrong… many of the points you raise & have brought to your leadership we have detailed out on our Odd theology page..

        the test for them is will they stand with the truth of God’s word or will they turn & spin on these errors- many many have.. of course we pray for Godly leaders who will be able to discern in a split second why the things that you have outlined as above are so heretical… any teaching that lessens the God-Man nature of Jesus is teaching false doctrine…

        please do keep in touch – we will be praying, however this is a strong spirit of delusion & many leaders become entranced by this movement & have set their course to embrace everything that this church & BJ is teaching…

        Im so pleased you found us – you are welcome to talk privately if this would help too…

    • the woman with the red curly hair said that the people they bless are going to get saved anyway – this is evidence of the universalist belief connected with mysticism – that Jesus died for everybody whether they know it or not. This is a lie and the enemy of our souls, satan, would love for people to think they don’t have to do anything to be saved. All this nullifies the work of the Cross.

      • Lynny they seem to believe that just having a touch from God is enough to know him…. they also are into Declaring or Creating with words so if they say “everyone they pray for will be saved” – this is what they believe to be true simply because they have declared it so..

        Its true Jesus has died for each person whether they know it or not – our responsibility is to tell people how & why – its the telling of the Gospel – the leading into understanding about sin & repentance thats missing… so yes Satan will do anything & promote anyone into pushing the thought process that leads to the invalidation of the work of the cross…..

      • You’ve explained it well Zazzy. I think I should have said that universalists believe everyone will be saved anyway whether they know Jesus or not – if they follow their own religion well and are kind to others they’ll get to heaven. Jesus certainly died for everyone whether they know it or not. It’s whether we choose to accept that gift and are born again. Do these people on the video think they’re Christ by their “declaring or creating”? Very worrying indeed! Think I’ve been out of the Charismatic loop too long ;-). Glad you’re updating me.

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