Kundalini – the False Holy Spirit

Kundalini is  a term you may or may not be familiar with- It is a demonic spirit which is known as a counterfeit Holy Spirit   from the Hindus & incorporated into new age philopsophy & practice…  under the influence of this demonic spirit people will testify to having “deep spiritual sensations”   such as “knowing” other peoples thoughts-  full body & outer body  feelings of bliss & ecstasy.   Uncontrollable physical sensations such as crying laughing & jerking –  vivid dreams, visions & trances.
 I will testify that I have seen many people manifesting in similar ways  after being through a fire tunnel  & just generally under the supposition that these manifestations & experiences are genuinely from God – given by the Holy Spirit…
Here is what I have observed:
  • Persons deliberately praying for others to recieve  “more’ or  ‘Fire”  or “new wine” or “drink”  or “fresh revalation”  by placing their hand on the persons forehead until “something” a manifestation occurs.  This could be shouting or wailing….  shaking   or falling flat out  ( slain in the spirit)   most people I saw  would be laughing their heads off during this  type of ministry..
  • Strange hand movements  like wafting  —  as though the Holy spirit  could be moved by us  tangibly on to people.
  • Drunkenness  & bliss bombing    someone   throwing  or making the action of a throw   on to people  who then fall down  & roll about as though drunk..    they are totally immersed in the activity  & cannot be reasoned with or interrupted until it comes to a “natural !!!” end..  One of our senior leaders did this  one time  &  was so “drunk”  they said they didnt know how could they  could drive home!!!   how is this responsible behaviour  from a senior leader…?.  Anyhow, the bible repeatedly tells us to stay sober & vigilant…  why would the spirit of God come in such power & produce the exact opposite effect  contrary to scripture??
  • Shouting at God to declare things over the church  or the town or an individual…  Declaring things about the Kingdom
  • Commanding God’s glory to come down….     this is very serious  error…   as biblically we go to God’s presence at his invitation & his sacrifice of his son…  & anyway  his presence has been with us his name is Jesus  who is all in all… & he sent the Holy Spirit as the comforter & the power of God –  this “power” though is  to do with making Jesus known & bringing conviction & repentance in turning hard hearts back to God.
  • Weird shaking/ involuntary  head & body movements….  seriously people would do this  during other times that they were not being ministered too  & so therefore it was in no way a response or reaction to anything –  I conclude that they were unaware of it & unable to stop it from happening..
  • leaders  (& others) making Animal noises….(& finding it funny)
  • Soaking:  people laying around in quiet semi- trance like states  visualising God & giving their testimony about it later…   make no mistake this is Guided visualisation & in its very basic form it was being subtely introduced from the late 80’s   “imagine you are somewhere & Jesus is  walking with you  –  look in his face”  what does he say….  it wasnt called soaking back then as the term had not been formalised…  but its the same thing…  & from the New Age…  in the River  people soak – record the thing & then share –  this is considered valid prophetic  & direction for life choices or actions  agreed to.
now  the fruit  of the Holy spirit  is:    Galatians 5 v 22  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 
this is how we  can evidence the work of the spirit of God in a persons life, it has nothing whatsoever to  do with any manifestations…   of course they would tell you the laughing is deep joy….   that is subjective anyhow… they will also tell you they felt compelled to behave like a neighing donkey  or a mooing cow….  these things produce laughter in others as a response…   that is not deep joy from knowing who you are in Christ.. that’s laughing with someone who looks foolish.   All the mooing  that people cant stop doing even in a preach time  is not demonstrating forbearance & self control…  I belive it is a kundalini awakening & not of the Spirit of the living God…

106 thoughts on “Kundalini – the False Holy Spirit

  1. I am not new to warfare, but I am new to specific names of spirits. I have read a lot of the comments here, as well the actual post itself. I was given the name Kundalini after I spoke about being at the altar during a prayer service and feeling the floor moving. Almost as though my equilibrium was off. I don’t see where this is one of the characteristics. The person who gave me the name said I was being deceived, because although I have felt this before during a great spiritual breakthrough, the individual said I misunderstood what was happening at that moment. I guess I just need clarity. I am not understanding this one.

    • Hello Monica, in the following scriptures you will see the names of different spirits. Mark 5:8,9. Mark 9:25. Luke 13:11-13. 2Timothy 1:7. Jesus was able to identify and cast out demons. We too have the power in the name of Jesus Christ, to cast out demons. This is why we must have intimacy with God. Jesus said, ” I and my Father are one.” John 10:30. God is calling us to a relationship with Him. Lastly, the Bible also says, For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1John 3:8. The ministry of Jesus Christ was a ministry of healing and deliverance. I would also recommend spiritual warefare books that identifies and discusses the various strategies of Satan and his angels.

      Sincerely in Christ,

      Kevin Graves

  2. Hello Zazzy, every day we must put on the whole armor of God, so that we as believers may able to stand against the wiles of the devil. Our warfare is not against each other but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Sadly, many churches today are ignorant to the things of the spirit realm.

    Sincerely in Christ,

    Kevin Graves

    • Thank you Kevin.. absolutely…. What we are tending to see is a push for the dramatic supernatural manifestations without consideration for the fruit of the spirit or for the outworking of Godly character.

      For me, I’d be looking at the accoountability of senior leaders & their propensity to make exucutive decisions.

      Is a church actually being run by a staff team or truly by appointed Godly elders?

      These are tough questions in these days but their answers point to the truth of how far we are on track or off it as the body of Christ..

      & here is a poser… My current church have adopted a computer surveillance programme called covenent eyes which basically means any staff of the church on church computers can be monitored for in/appropriate web searches. Healthy accountability or covert spying with a large amount of mistrust thrown in. ???

      • Thanks Zazzy for the follow up, I’m a firm believer in accountability. But, where do we draw the line? We are members of the body of Christ, not the Central Intelligence Agency. God uses Holy Ghost filled people to bring understanding or correction when it comes to matters of the spirit. God didn’t just use Paul and the other apostles solely for the purpose of spreading the Gospel, the God that we serve is a God of decency and order. In closing, it is imperative that whatever we do as believers we do as spirit filled vessels of God eager to do the will of God and not our own will.

        Sincerely in Christ,

        Kevin Graves

  3. Demonic spirits don’t have the character or nature of our God. So, they cannot mimic holiness or righteousness. The Bible tells us, ” Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1John 4:1. It’s important that we are led the power of the Holy Spirit and not by our emotions.

    Sincerely in Christ,

    Kevin Graves

    • A false teaching and a.false gospel will allow the enemy to deceive and corrupt heresy and treating the Holy spirit like an idiot will have grave consequences. Hence witness with your own eyes jesus christ has nothing to do with these demonicfalse spirits

      • Hello Timothy, the Word of God tells us, that the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:14-16. As believers, we must be baptized with the REAL Holy Spirit, so that we can discern that which is of God and not of God.

        Sincerely in Christ,

        Kevin Graves

  4. Demonic spirits don’t have the character or nature of our God. So, they cannot mimic holiness or righteousness. The Bible tells us, ” Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1John 4:1. It’s important that we are led the power of the Holy Spirit and not by our emotions.

    Sincerely in Christ,

    Kevin Graves

  5. Hello Shelen, as believer in Yeshua all I’m saying to you is believe not every spirit but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1John 4:1. It’s important as believers that we are led by the Holy Spirit and not by our emotions.

  6. Now hold on! Your gonna sit here and tell me that if I open myself up to receive God (Elohim, Yahweh) THE ALMIGHTY, THE ONE and ONLY true God by going through a fire tunnel where people are touching me,(which the bible states go out, LAY hands on the sick, and heal them!) That a non significate spirit could over ride the power and presence and glory and merciful and loving God and possess me? Nah! I’ll take my chances with Yeshua! If He wants to slat me in the spirit I’ll acept it!

    • that’s exactly it shelen.. we are indeed saying that you’re opening yourself up to some other spirit. Because these ones praying in firetunnels & the like are so deceived they don’t realise. My experience is that people are handpicked & chosen to be the “pray -ers”. Or not, on the basis on their being “spiritual enough” what this boils down to in reality is how aligned or compliant these persons are with the leadership.. I’ve written about this throughought this thread but I’d also like you to read my laying on of hands post on this blog.. & review the scriptural practices of apostle Paul… Please don’t just accept what your seeing/experiencing as genuinely biblical without thoroughly investingating it.
      Blessingss. Z.

    • that’s exactly it shelen.. we are indeed saying that you’re opening yourself up to some other spirit. Because these ones praying in firetunnels & the like are so deceived they don’t realise. My experience is that people are handpicked & chosen to be the “pray -ers”. Or not, on the basis on their being “spiritual enough” what this boils down to in reality is how aligned or compliant these persons are with the leadership.. I’ve written about this throughought this thread but I’d also like you to read my laying on of hands post on this blog.. & review the scriptural practices of apostle Paul… Please don’t just accept what your seeing/experiencing as genuinely biblical without thoroughly investingating it.
      Blessingss. Z.

    • True. If we have relationship. I know we will have discernment to Truth. Drawing closer to God in your own time prevents this. In fact in the book of acts the thought the people were drunk when the day of Pentecost occurred. Use wisdom and know God.

  7. I believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I also believe in the outpouring of His Holy Spirit. As followers of the Lord Jesus Christ we need to pray for the application of knowledge, which is wisdom to discern good and bad. Tragically, Satan has infiltrated some churches with deception and witchcraft. As true believers in the resurrected Christ we have the power of the Holy Spirit to teach and guide us into all truth. The ministry of Jesus Christ was not just of salvation, but of healing and deliverance. As the Word of God tells us in 1John 3:8, For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. With the power of the Holy Spirit we have the power and the authority in Jesus name to cast out the kundalini spirit and other demonic spirits. Lastly, the Word of God tells us, to be sober and vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.1Peter 5:8.

    Sincerely in Christ,

    Kevin Graves

    • I came about to know about this whe reading Rebecca Brown’s books He came to set the captives free and prepare for war

  8. How do you get rid of these spirits of kindling before they kill me.basically. I’ve tried everything. I go to church. I see the serpents sometimes in some of the churches. Omg how to get rid of this kundalini? It’s been 35 years of torment. Love Ari

    • Ari, I had been trained in SOZO, worked in healing rooms and attended churches that advocated these things. I have since LEFT this movement and have been pressing in to the LORD Jesus Christ and His Word and am FREE of all this ! You have got to take a stand yourself, renounce any involvement with these things and find a church that you know you are safe at. If you have confessed the Lord Jesus Christ with you mouth to others and live like He truly is your Lord, lip service is cheap, your like must reflect His,, believe in your heart that God the Father raised Him from the dead, you are saved, which means you have salvation, deliverance and healing through Christ’s finished work on the cross! Now Romans 12:1-2 is clear about what this looks like as is Gal 2:20. Ask God to make these scriptures come alive in you . Now your part is to “walk in the Spirit” so you do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. What does this mean? Every day, every decision you make, must be filtered through God. Ask yourself(don’t be hasty) will this choice please God or my selfish side? You have the mind of Christ , but still live in a body of flesh that wants its way. Glory to God , when you come to Christ , the power to do wrong (sin) is broken and you can choose to please God rather then self. The Word truly is enough, the indwelling presence of the HOLY SPIRIT in you is enough!

  9. What I believe you should do is go in prayer to the Lord and repent of all the bad things you’ve been involved in.
    Ask Jesus for forgiveness and keep trusting Him and KEEP AWAY from these things.

    • Yes totally. Stay in the word what I mean is read it embrace it as truth & speak it out loud. Please be very careful about allowing anyone to pray for you by laying on of hands. These people are totally sold into the thinking that this is a transferable anointing problem is that it’s not of God.. praying for you. . Remember that Jesus came to smash oppression. So if we find ourselves being oppressed it’s a sure sign it doesn’t originate from him..

  10. I am from South Africa. I had a very bad experience of Kundalini awakening after I attended a cell group. They spoke in tongues and laid hands on each other. After that strange and scary things started to happen to me and in my house. Thrills on the too of my head and through my body. It just happened and I couldnt control it. I had pain on my stomach and my heart raced. I saw a blue light came throug my bedlamp and later om a thin glassball with a clear light with a ‘ting’ sound. After that I experienced a strange feeling on top of my head and it felt as if something was sucked out. There were strange noises in the house like scratching against doors and thumoing sounds on the roof. Even my cat started to behave differently. Somebody is cutting her whiskers as well. A lot of other things happened as well but too much to mention. I went to my church one day and got a panic attack. All the things were so disturbing and I was very scared. Tbe person from the cell group is my next door neighbour and she is from a charismatic church. The tell a lot of lies about other people that could hurt them as well. I prayed a lot about this and it is much better now. I don’t let this neighbour into my house anymore but I still feel somehow that she is watching me. Can you please pray for me and can you please tell me what to do. It was the scariest time of my life. Thank you.

    • My friend, read James 4 and Eph 5:1-21 (especially verse 11). Follow this carefully and the Holy Spirit will lead you to cleansing by Jesus’ blood and strengthening through His truth.

  11. Please help my mother in law has something in her she was doing all these things including yelling at the top of her lungs multiple times Jesus Lord etc. Banging on the floor and walls at 3 am and staring out the window for 3 minutes shhhing us then started yelling all scary shecame in told me we had to go but to not let her son my bf stop us she pulled me outside and said were going with Jesus he’s out here come on

    • is she using any kind of drugs ………..it sounds like a bad trip of some kind if not you need to get her to a doctor to evaluate her mental statues asap. If this continues like this she could be a danger to herself others. Not good.

    • To me this sounds like she is under some, religious abuse, almost cultic mind- control. Coupled with a mental health issue. I think it may be serious enough for you to consider someone more skilled than me in dealing with people who have been brainwashed & or mental health professionals. I am praying for this situation. It’s doubtful she will reduce her contact or stop meeting those who have such an influence over her at your request… of course this has to be her decision.

    • A “kundalini awakening” usually imparted by a “spiritual” person laying hands on someone or a near-death experience is known to cause psychosis. It’s called kundalini syndrome. Check it out. I think it will explain some of your mother’s symptoms. I’m a licensed Clinical Mental Health Counselor in Utah and writing a novel exposing the true nature of Kundalini, which is unfortunately seeping into our churches. God Bless You. Praying for your Mom.

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  13. GOD is a GOD of order, Jesus was our example. He displayed no such things. I believe the power of GOD will slay you to your knees, on your face with the Fear of the Lord. Anything else that we manifest which hinders unbelievers who are seeking the Lord should be investigated. Repentant hearts that are repelled by violent shaking, snake like dancing, animal like noises, rolling on the ground etc. may never return to the church. The Bible is the rod by which we measure, and the actions that are our examples exhibited should also not be taken out of context such as David dancing before the Lord like a madman, he had just had a victorious battle and this is why he was dancing it was not brought on by a spirit. The godly fell on their faces before the Lord those who were under judgment of the Lord fell backwards before the Lord. God is not a God of confusion He would not lead his people astray but the people perish for lack of knowledge

  14. GOD is a GOD of order, Jesus was our example. He displayed no such things. I believe the power of GOD will slay you to your knees, on your face with the Fear of the Lord. Anything else that we manifest which hinders unbelievers who are seeking the Lord should be investigated. Repentant hearts that are repelled by violent shaking, snake like dancing, animal like noises, rolling on the ground etc. may never return to the church. The Bible is the rod by which we measure, and the actions that are our examples exhibited should also not be taken out of context such as David dancing before the Lord like a madman, he had just had a victorious battle and this is why he was dancing it was not brought on by a spirit. The godly fell on their faces before the Lord those who were under judgment of the Lord fell backwards before the Lord. God is not a God of confusion she would not lead his people astray but the people perish for lack of knowledge

  15. I was possessed by a kundalini demon for a short period of time. I never even believed in demons until the Lord took the demon out of me. It was so deceptive, and it made me realize how satan really does disguise himself as light. While it was going on, I honestly believed I had unlocked some secret that most humans were unaware of. I thought I had discovered nirvana and the meaning to life. I had only discovered a tunnel to hell. I am forever grateful to the Lord for my deliverance. All I can say to unbelievers is that it’s real, and it’s out there waiting to attach itself on to the unsuspecting. Things could have ended so much differently with me.

    • Deanna, did the Lord deliver you through someone praying or just between you & Him? I’ve dealt with the physical jerking & thrashing around, as I allowed it(thinking it was Holy Spirit), for 6 years. Last spring I finally realized it’s not Holy Spirit, & am able to control the movement(movement was mostly spine of neck). I’ve had prayer but it won’t come out. I’ve never been involved in Kundalini yoga.

  16. Do you believe they receive this false Holy Spirit called kundalani through baptism in the titles of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost?
    I’m sure you are true Christians are aware that there is only one baptism and its in the name of Jesus as the bible tells us.

  17. I’d like to begin by recounting a conversation I had with a visitor to our church. During our conversation he expressed his concern at the invasion of Kundalini into the churches. After the conversation I noticed one key result. Fear. He lifted this spirit up so high and made believers filled with the Holy Spirit so susceptible that fear was the primary result. The next result was a focus on deliverance. Deliverance is a wonderful thing but if the focus is on “getting the devil out” and not God I think something’s amiss.

    Believers are filled with the Holy Spirit, are you saying an evil spirit is stronger that Him? Doesn’t the bible say greater is He that is in us?

    Regarding things like shaking in the presence of the Holy Spirit. The bible says the apostles, newly filled with the Holy Spirit looked and acted like drunken men. That Roman soldiers fell like bowling pins at one word from Jesus. That John fell like a dead man in God’s presence in heaven. That David danced like a mad man before the Ark? God loves people who are so in love with Him that they don’t care how they look before men. Michal’s womb was shut because she despised his radical worship in her heart. We must tread very tenderly before we judge another’s expression of worship in our heart.

    In terms of worship when did respectability become the standard by which we judge worship or manifestation? I have an idea that God values one who is prepared to become a fool for Christ rather than live in the fear of man. It’s an interesting exercise to examine the reason why we find these kind of manifestations uncomfortable. Is there a portion of the respect of man in there?

    The bible says “Be still and know that I am God.” Scripture tells us to still ourselves and become aware of His presence, care and comfort. That is all soaking is doing, stilling a soul, listening to worship music and becoming aware of His greatness. Bethel is not about showing how great they can pray, they’re all about taking the time to allow the Holy Spirit to overshadow them. They spend a lot of time waiting on Him so that when they pray it’s about the manifested presence of Jesus than them. That may sound easy but it takes time and practise to move oneself out of the way to let the Holy Spirit flow.

    That’s all a fire tunnel is about, it’s about people who’ve taken a long time to know how to step out of the picture and let God flow through them. The people who pray at a fire tunnel have all been specifically hand picked and authorized. It’s far from a free for all. Leadership specifically pick them for this, I know this first hand from being there. Again it takes much time to truly move oneself out of the way to allow the Holy Spirit to flow. Interestingly much of that transition happens very quietly but results in significant manifestation.

    I’d have one more suggestion. Before you write another blog about Bethel, listen to a worship service and answer one question. Do you really think they’re worshipping Kundalini? I mean take away any predisposition and listen to them like you have no idea who they are. Can you for one second say they’re worshipping Satan? It is a serious charge that you lay at their feet and one that I personally would never express publicly, it taints the body of Christ in the eyes of the world.

    • Nigel, no one here as far as i Know & i read everything… has ever suggested people are worshipping satan or a kundalini spirit … what we are saying tho is that something has crept into the church & deceived many… & that needs investigating & addressing..

      I did know that in a fire tunnel people are handpicked to be the “pray – ers” why so? & if you happen to be not picked what does that speak to you of being not adequately spiritual enough… is that right??? & if you are picked – boy could that feed your ego…

      I agree with you totally about the fear aspect… my observation is that this happens all the time in all sorts of contexts in modern church… you know if the system can create or identify some issue or problem in an individual then ride in like a knight in shining armour ready to provide a full on deliverance ministry… the “system” creates heirarchy of lesser/superior christians… with the superior ones looking super spiritual… when actually all have sinned & fallen short & all have received the same amount of abundant grace through a crucified saviour..

      manifestations have nothing to do with anything really… its a side show or even a circus in many places… remember the fruit of the spirit in Galatians 5 thats the true test of the heart, these spiritual characteristics… lets get the perspective correct….

      in my Bethelized church, it was said that the presence of God was very strong – heaven was very present because we had evidence of miracles & manifestations.. but the duplicity, & deception by stealth & unaccountability of the senior leader & team was outstanding… so heres the question we are left with… How can we possibly have ‘Heaven come on earth’ in the services – all looking good for the masses but behind closed doors – so to speak – domination, control & hypocrisy… ?? doesnt fit does it? you know that rebellion is the sin of witchcraft & I have seen with my own eyes the levels to which these leader persons will go to cover things up & do damage limitation rather than embrace & acknowledge the truth, in humble repentance & lead people through…

      see so what if God doesnt heal someone in a meeting, not to be callous to that individual, their situation is no different if they dont get a healing or a blessing… but for leaders to pretend they had a healing or to hype people up to believe that the healing is genuine when it isnt & to post exaggerated lies about in on social media etc… thats what taints & drags the body of Christ down… thats what needs exposing. & our teaching needs to focus on how are we going to help people in dire situations – develop their Godly Charactersistics – fruit of the spirit in their lives.. whilst also believing that God may in his mercy choose to heal them, but also may not..

    • The Bible does NOT say the apostles looked or acted like drunken men. Acts 2:6-12 describes them speaking in the languages of various regions about the wonderful works of God. Some asked what it could mean. In verse 13 it says some onlookers mocked “They are full of new wine”. As the preceding verses only discuss the phenomenon of the gift of tongues, it should be obvious that the accusation of drunkenness was only in response to that. It does not say that anyone was speaking in various tongues and stumbling or slurring their speech or engaging in any other behavior associated with intoxication. It was because of their lack of discernment, not the appearance of the apostles’ behavior. Hannah the mother of Samuel was also mistaken for being drunk when the priest saw her praying so fervently, and it was because of his ignorance, not because she was acting like a drunk. I can think of many examples where I or an acquaintance said something goofy and the other joked “Are you drunk?”, without any reason (such as slurred speech, uncoordinated movements, falling down, brain fog etc) other than that someone said something odd or funny. It is apparently common in many cultures and times to jokingly attribute odd speech or sayings to intoxication without any other markers of intoxication present. That bystanders accused the apostles of drunkenness proved nothing other than that those bystanders didn’t understand what they were hearing. I think anyone would have to agree that the account in the book of Acts, as well as all the writings in the epistles paints a picture of the apostles and early church as anything but silly. That’s worth pondering as one considers whether or not to embrace some of the movements in the churches today.

      • In my above comment, where I said “it does not say that anyone was speaking in various tongues and stumbling or slurring speech” I should have emphasized “and”. I know it says they were speaking in various tongues, I just meant the Bible doesn’t say they were doing that AND other things in addition to that which would make them appear drunk.

      • Except for two things:

        1). The bible talks again & again about being sober minded & having self control. & about the drunkard/being drunk being not Godly behaviour. Please do a study put the words drunk/sober into a concordance. & search the scriptures for yourself to get an overview of the biblical attitude towards intoxication.

        2). The phrases “drunk in the spirit” “high on Jesus” & the word “intoxicated/intoxication” are commonly & deliberately used in this movement by people who are well entrenched .. not onlookers making an misguided judgement.. furthermore the cries for “more” indicate the propelling forward of the feelings physical & emotional that these practices supply for them.

    • FEAR? You should fear the fact that false ministers are purposefully studying these “strange manifestations” to put on side shows in the church. You have already been brainwashed and dumbed-down. The man who reached out to touch Jesus was an unbeliever! These ministers are missing the one most important thing: FRUIT. Todd Bentley is an adulterer and his new wife is having strange revelations! This is FOOLISHNESS. My prayer is that you get out of this hypnotic state of false religion and that you meet Yeshua… Jesus… The True Savior.

      I have been in back room meetings with witch doctors who practice sorcery and camouflage it with the Word. These ministers secretly study ancient pagan religions ON PURPOSE to make merchandise of men.

      The manifestation of the Holy Spirit results in obedience and the Fruit of the Spirit… Dancing is an outward expression of joy… Not the Holy Spirit “taking you over” or “knocking you out”!

  18. You are highly misjudging the kundalini….”people perish because lack of knowledge”…i suggest to all that you should seek to give rise to your kundalini..with that you can have the creative force of Christ himself n be one with god as we return to the garden of Eden

    • Richie, which “Jesus” are you following.. where in scripture do we find kundalini rising… & chakras opened in individuals… did Jesus of Nazereth teach & Practice this..?

  19. Great spiritual discernment and faithfulness to the true Jesus Christ – thanks for publishing! “For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect” Matthew 24:24

  20. Let’s not attribute things to the enemy that are the Holy Spirit. God is a big God and loves us! From my extensive studies I cannot find an example where the enemy was allowed to dwell together with the Holy Spirit inside a person. We are not a duplex.

    I have experienced many of the experiences people are writing about about and attributing to kundalini … Those manifestation I experienced were the Beloved Holy Spirit! The enemy does not want me to get closer to the Lord, and yet those experiences have, among other things, increased my love for the Lord and trust in His grace. Aren’t we supposed to judge by the fruit as well as by the Word and the witness of the abiding Anointing within? We can trust the Holy Spirit!

    There are scripture that talk about this joy people experience like Hebrews 1, “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” and, Luke 10:21 “In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.”

    Read also from From Luke 11
    8 “I [Jesus] say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs.
    9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
    10 “For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
    11 “If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish?
    12 “Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
    13 “If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

    • hey lorna sorry its taken a while… all I can advise here is how I dealt with this personally… the very last thing you need is “more ministry” with another laying on of hands – where we are currently in this crazy movement is that we have no idea who or what influences other people who would minister to us … my advice would be to steer clear of any of this – the last thing you need is more of the same – from well meaning people who don’t get it… unless you can truly find someone who is resolute in their understanding of this kundalini spirit – how it is impacting the “church” & who is able to pray with you in person… standing together in this

      the very best thing tho you can do, get grounded in the word… the Holy spirit is big enough to deliver us out of bondage without anyone else “ministering” why not spend an hour or 2 with him – in the word yourself… we will be praying for you too of course.. if you need deliverance & ask him he will deliver you out of bondage – you need not worry- just lay it all out with a repentant heart…

      check out my post on laying on of hands too.. as I think that it may be helpful…

      • Hi Lorna, Jesus Christ has supreme authority over all spirits (Matt 28:18) and we as believers born again into Christ have his delegated authority (Luke 10:19). Therefore in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we can tell enemy spirits to leave, break all rights given to them, and forbid them to return. I suggest you get some help with this from a trusted reformed/charismatic pastor. If you can’t find anyone in person, you’ll find some good instruction by Peter Horobin (Ellel), Mark Driscoll (for all his shortcomings), Martin Lloyd-Jones, Derek Prince, Charles Kraft on spiritual warfare. Bless you richly.

      • Remember that the teaching of man is faulty. God’s word is all you need. Yes there are some helpful wise & Godly teachers but please please be careful not to take everything they say or I say as “gospel”. There is only one gospel. I have to say too personally I cannot endorse the teachings of Mark Driscoll..

    • Lorna,are you sure you are born again ?, I do not want to doubt your salvation …BUT Jesus said ye must repent and be born again or you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.I am one of those Christians who has not received the other baptism, I was baptized into new life and born again when I received Jesus as my LORD AND SAVOIUR , I laid down my life ..will as it were died ,and was raised up in new life in Christ Jesus through HIs Holy Spirit who is the guarantor I have been sealed by God himself unto salvation to do good works not of my own but only through the indwelling power of Christ, in me was brought up in church and asked Jesus into my heart numerous times and was baptized 3 times I also spoke in tongues [ of course it was unintelligible} BESIDES Jesus SAID OUR FATHER KNOWS OUR NEEDS EVEN BEFORE WE ASK OFHIM ..SO I SEE NO NEED FOR VAIN BABBLING, SINCE HE CAN READ OUR MIND ANYWAYS. Now ,that does not mean that I do not think that God could deliver the gospel that truly saves through a person who speaks not the language of another and could give his Holy Spirit to manifest the language to the person who needs to hear the word of God as a testimony of the power of God unto salvation ? I do BUT I believe that the gift of tongues is not what a lot of people think it is ,..anyways I believed that I was saved for many years .. and I really did not have the peace with God that I should have had ,nor was I a godly person
      I gossiped, I slandered I drank, fornicated. I never came out from amongst them and became Holy set apart.. I do not mean the kind of holier than thou attitude that some people think that true holiness is, BUT a real repentant heart, a broken and contrite spirit that truly understands Gods rightful wrath against sinners like you and me and all mankind, and that Jesus died not so that we would not go to hell, but to bring us to the Father to a right relationship with the Father through the Son, to make us new again through the new birth , we are HIS betrothed His virgin bride, we are to keep ourselves unspotted and pure from the world and we can only want to do that if we are born again! His bride is making herself ready for her bridegroom
      He is coming back I believe it is soon ..look around the world is in chaos, even the church
      is in confusion esus said the end would not happen unless there be a GREAT FALLING AWAY. now we know those who are not His are already fallen away ,because they want nothing to do with God, Jesus I believe is talking about those who profess Christ! ..they will be led away ,and IF.. it were possible the very elect of GOD! .. I am so glad that God put in his word IF IT WERE POSSIBLE… So work out your salvation with fear and trembling, test the spirits to see if they are of GOD, MAKE SURE YOUR SALVATION IS OF GOD. This is important because Jesus said ” There will be many who come to me on that day , and profess to me saying” Lord. Lord did we not cast out devils ,do signs and wonders ” ,and thefore I will say to them . ‘DEPART FROM ME ,I NEVER KNEW YOU, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS [ SIN] ‘ God will not be mocked ,H e does not care whether you belong to a church, give alms feed the poor, do miracles, perform signs and wonders, WHY because
      these do not save you, and IF you keep on doing lawlessness, and look at sin as it is not that bad then you are deceived, Can a Christian sin , OH yes unfortunately we can ,BUT god SAYS if YOU SIN THEN gOD IS FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE YOU, YOU HAVE TO GET REAL WITH HIM AND CALL A SPADE A SPADE, and confess it to him humble yourself under the mighty hand of God and therefore He will lift you up. One day 18 years ago God called me on my hypocrisy, I am so happy He did, it was like an arrow through my cold dead heart ,I realized I really was not born again, I never gave God the first place in my heart, I made room for him only when things were not going well , because of my sin by the way…. I got real with Him and asked Him to forgive me I repented of my drunkenness. hypocrisy etc… and I was born again! FOR REAL !!!! I started following Him I had such a hunger for God ,His WORD,HIS PEOPLE,I COULD NOT GET ENOUGH. Jesus said” My sheep hear my voice and follow me ,they will by no means follow a stranger”.. SO my question to you my friend is twofold 1. are you truly born again? 2. Do you follow Jesus? I must admit that there have been many tribulations in my life, and at times I caused some of them by disobeying God and not trusting Him,BUT God is faithful that He will not give us more than what we can handle,we do not get to choose our trials they are a special gift of God from His providential hand to mold us into His image, and sometimes IF WE don’t get with His program we will suffer ,not for doing good but God forbid doing evil , God were that we would just obey, and trust Him with all things . We need to rest in Him for He alone is faithful,H ewill never,never,no never leave us or forsake us, Its us like sheep that have wandered off from the flock of GOD!,, but like the GREAT SHEPARD that HE is He always gets us back, so like J esus ,what a wonderful Savoiur, HE is …..So are you born again? are you following God and not man ,or a church?
      Is He knocking on the door of your heart ?, perhaps you are born again , BUT you have wandered off from the truth of GOS HOLY WORD THE BIBLE. YOU need to repent and turn away from those things that have led you astray, like I have and get right ,get real ,because HE ALREADY KNOWS,HE JUST WANTS YOU TO AGREE WITH HIM ABOUT IT!
      I hope you receive the words that I wrote to you ,I am far from perfect and I am a sinner saved by the grace of God,BUT I KNOW IN WHOM I HAVE BELIEVED, AND I KNOW MY SAVOIUR LIVES HALLELUJIAH,MARANANTHA!!!!!!! HE IS COMING AGAIN!!!!!!!

      • To My Fountain, I was so blessed with your honesty about your struggle with hypocrisy as I too suffered in this attitude until Jesus showed me and I faced it with honesty before Jesus in prayer. I gave in to the temptations of demonic powers and suffered for it. Now Jesus has redeemed me from this and delivered me into His rest.. I feel the joy of the Lord now and do not want to trade it for the filthy pleasures that lead to death and separation from God. 1 John 4:4 Ye the believers are of God, little children and have overcome them the powers, principalities and satan: because greater is He the Holy Spirit in you then he that is in the world.

    • Listen to Derek Prince on YouTube on how to be delivered. You can do it yourself through our Lord Jesus Christ. You need to command the demon to go in the Name of Jesus Christ. Learn about deliverance, good book by Derek Prince is ” They Shall expel Demons” , also Ellel Ministries are good – Peter Horrobin the Founder of Ellel in 1986 – has a great book Healing through Deliverance- they are fine and not dodgy. God bless you. Xxx

      • This comment is in response to the woman in need of deliverance. I pray for your complete deliverance from these demons. Moreover, you need the REAL Holy Spirit to show you what is of and not of God. Through intimacy with our risen savior, Jesus will guide and teach you the ways and thoughts of Almighty God. In addition, this is why we must be baptized with the Holy Spirit. I pray that God will give you the discernment to know who can and cannot lay hands on you. Finally, we as believers must be alert to Satan’s devices. We cannot win a spiritual war with carnal weapons. Therefore, we must put on the whole armor of God, so that we may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. Ephesians 6:11.

        Sincerely in Christ,

        Kevin Graves

  21. Just recently i was prompted to look up kundalini in the internet. This site reminds me of the so-called filling of the Holy Spirit in our church where members kept laughing, there were crying, falling down the floor & others a shaking movement of the hands & feet. Could this be manifestation of kundalini spirit?

    • Short answer to your question YES.

      We can know we have the Holy Spirit indwelling within us by the fruit demonstrated in our lives by our character. The attributes of the fruit of the spirit can be found in Galatians 5. Check it out! Then ask yourself the question as I did are these ones proclaiming to have a touch from God in these wild ways we are observing are they moving & growing in the spirit in correlation with Galatians 5. Do they exemplify & abound in patience, self control & kindness? For starters. Please do get back with your thoughts on this. Z

    • If I already have, by reason of somebody laying hands on me in the church, the kundalini spirit how then can I take it out of my system. What should I do to take out the wrong spirit in me and be filled with the right spirit of the LORD?

      • I think you are there in your asking to be set free & in your awareness of error a great place to start… I’m sure you’ve spent time in prayer & repentance too. Have a look at psalm 51 especially v 10. It talks about having a clean heart & that’s what we all want right. ? Embed yourself in the word… Ask the Holy spirit for the truth as you go. Remember it’s the truth that sets us free. You are free anyhow. Just keep walking in that place.. be blessed Z

  22. I agree. I have seen pastors like Billy Graham tell people on stage, “Be healed in the name of Jesus,” and then push the person onto the ground and they would fall down. I also see people in my youth waving their hands in the air slowly like at hillsong concerts, and this is at a Romanian church. I can see how you might be correct.

  23. Dear Brandi,
    How did you come to the conclusion that Zazzy knows nothing?
    Just because she talks against certain things you obviously agree with?
    Where’s the logic in that?
    If you would just stop listening to what people tell you what is true or not and just open the Bible (and I recommend a King James one) and let God teach you about those things.
    One day, when you will stand before God and He will ask you why didn’t you listen to Me, you will say ‘but I have. I have listened to this teacher and the other’.
    You see, you keep listening to what people tell you but, I beg of you, please open the Bible and let God talk to you.
    I pray, dear Brandi, that God will open your eyes to see the lies you’ve been fed and that He’ll help you follow Him and not man.
    God bless you!

  24. You know nothing so I would be silent you know god hears every word every thought and walks with you every day how long will you keep punishing your lord by how you act and speak and judge others the lord is here now with all how long will it take for you to to meet I suspect a long time

    • Brandi, Im not going to keep silent… Im going to tell the truth, best I can. for that to happen all of our thoughts, comments & actions need to line up with scripture…. not really interested in anything else…

  25. Please dont misinterpret about kundalini if you ain’t know nuts about it…
    You are just finding ways to ‘lower’ down an practice which is same as who someone knows nuts about christianity will say that its a false bloom approach !

    Kundalini is a way of true living and if you know nothing nor not into practise please shut up…!
    You guys are only known to be of downgrading others religion and talking good of yours only..
    This at first a big mistakes / devil’s practice which you shall discard off.. Please do that before commenting about any others religions nor practise..

    Thank You Devil’s:)


    • Angel, its true we clearly don’t know as much about kundalini as you do.. if you choose in your life to believe & practice such things – you have free will to do so… the only one who will judge you for that is God himself…

      the point we are making thro this blog is that practicing/incorporating Kundalini into one’s lifestyle is incompatible with true Christianity because it has absolutely zero biblical basis…

      I feel from the way you write – there is a limited understanding about what the bible truly teaches… as a starting point can I encourage you to look at our true Jesus- false Jesus page… it will help you understand why Jesus came to earth & why he had to die (in our place) to reconcile all people for all time to God who is pure holiness..

      be blessed x

  26. THIS POST is from FaceBook – BC&C (- edited by Zazzy )

    Dessy Challen‎Bethel Church and Christianity
    15 August at 09:58 · Oxley, Australia ·

    Jesus said in the end times there would be a great falling away and many false prophets would appear and they would deceived even the elect, by the signs and wonders they do! But here’s the thing Jesus warned us, we all know the scriptures regarding the warning but the majority have been deceived!!!! Wow. I have witnessed this with my own eyes. I was involved in the prophetic movement for 6 years. I was once deceived until God rescued me one day. And here’s how it happened:

    The devil tried to take me deep into heresy by a person that wanted to give me a book by Bill Johnson from Bethel church called “when heaven invades earth”. I was so excited to get this book as I had about 50 sermons from bill Johnson on my laptop, I had his devotionals and listened for hours on end to Jesus Culture. So when my friend handed me the book I could not wait to devour it. But what happened next changed my whole life and saved my soul from hell.

    I have heard God speak to me for years. I hear the audible voice of God. I move in the prophetic and have had countless people whom I was ministering too with words of knowledge say, ‘wow you really must hear from God’ . So As I picked up this book i was literally jumping out of my skin and I was going to read this book in one night if I could. As I often could finish a book in one night! I picked the book up and i heard the audible voice of God, the clearest i have ever heard God in my whole life say, ‘ take that book and throw it in the bin’!!!!! Woah this nearly knocked me off my feet. I said sorry God and he spoke to me again and it was not just a small still voice but very demanding or authoritative say once again take that book and throw it in the bin right now. I had no clue why?? my head was racing and I was so nervous, but I picked up the book with tears in my eyes and i threw the book in the bin. I went back inside the house and i turned all the lights off and I got on my knees and cried out to God, ‘ God what the heck is going on’!!!!!! What God spoke to me that night I will keep to myself, but after about 2 hours in prayer i was repenting because not only did i allow myself to be deceived but I was also operating under a false Spirit in my ministry!!!

    After God spoke to me I spent the next 48 hours without any sleep as I studied Bill Johnsons sermons and looked at his books and quotes from him. People say oh you just get this stuff from the internet, they just make stuff up about God’s anointed. That is why I only looked at his sermons and books and direct quotes!! What I found horrified me. What he taught so horrified me that I was physically sick!! He openly teaches Jesus was not God he was just an ordinary man on earth, he teaches perfectionism- that we are perfect and we cannot sin, he teaches Calvinism and believe me what this man teaches the list just goes on and on and ….. …….. ………
    I’m not just talking about different ideas about the rapture or something little like that but major christian doctrine that the church is established on. Every corner you look was heresy. Why did I not see it, why was i deceived?? i believe it was because it was a demon that deceives even the elect if that’s possible and guess what??? it sure is possible because I am the elect and so are millions around the world that are yoking themselves together with this apostate!!
    And my brothers and sisters it gets worse!!!!! Not only is he teaching doctrines of devils but he is using a Spirit that the church has embraced as the HOLY SPIRIT but is a false spirit called the KUNDALINI. If you have not seen the video from John the Baptist ministry about exposing the kundalini in the name of Jesus Christ you need to urgently sit down and watch this and then seek God in prayer!

    As a young christian I knew no better and had people pray for me that imparted the kundalini spirit in me. Signs of the kundalini spirit are jerking, screaming out, having no control over your body, being drunk in the SO CALLED SPIRIT??

    I held big crusades where I would wave my hand over the crowd and people would fall like dominos. I would pray for people and I would try to push people over because that’s what preachers do, if you don’t go down they gently give you a push sometimes its quit forcefully.
    I saw whole churches rolling around and they were so drunk they could not speak and at the time i said to God i don’t understand how this could be you as over and over we are called to be sober and here the church is drunk!! Totally the exact opposite of what the word says yet the church has embraced it and even more a kick in the face of God they call it drunk in the spirit????

    I have repented of this. I have fasted and got delivered from this Spirit but nearly every church i attend I see signs of the kundalini spirit! I see them yoking themselves together with Bethel and you know what I believe some of these pastors know that Bethel is teaching false doctrine but because of the signs and wonders it must be God it is god just not our God. Mathew 24 and 2 Thessalonians 2 talks about what is happening. The signs and wonders at Bethel are demonic. If they are preaching false doctrine then let me tell you something from God. God would never manifest his presence where there is false doctrine being preached never never never! So first you must establish, what they are preaching- is it right or wrong. And believe me you don’t have to search for long to find the answer to that!

    So if what he is preaching is false what Spirit is at work?? I escaped bethel and the kundalini by the grace of God and I only know of about 3 other people who have come out of it.
    I don’t care about the persecution that comes with writing this as I have been beaten. Spat at and abused. So there’s nothing you could say nor do to discourage me!! I’m writing this for someone to escape it. If you seek God he will Help you find the truth as this is the Job of the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth! I now can’t really find a church where they are not yoked with bethel in any way or operate in the kundalini. I get very discouraged sometimes as the mere size of this infiltration by the powers of darkness is so huge. But I pray day and night that my loved ones and friends would see the truth. And I believe one day soon that the church will revisit the old days of major reformation and repent. This will be the end times revival that Smith Wigglesworth spoke about. It definitely won’t be lead by Bethel who wont repent but will stick with what they teach all the way to hell!!!!

    Right now God us looking to you to draw a line, are you with him or with Bethel. Draw it- step over it and hold on because every christian that has breath in them will attack you!!! but brace yourself and hold on to Christ!!! He calls you his faithful ones and will make you burning ones!!

    • Zazzy I have genuine concerns regarding this topic, and some simple questions. I admit up front they are of a selfish nature.

      I have been a Christian for over 40 years and for most of that time committed to a local church and enjoying a personal relationship with God. I know scripture reasonably well and I approach learning doctrine by trying to take a balanced view of what the Bible has to say using more than one scripture reference where it is possible and sensible. Of course prayer plays its part too.

      When it comes to subjects like this I do not see things as black and white as others seem to.

      I have a concern about the Kundalini spirit that some believe is being invited (initially in ignorance I presume?) into the church. I too experience spiritual things. I have had knowledge of things before they have happened. I have thought conversations with, I assume, the Holy Spirit and these are often times of personal revelation. I hear in my mind a voice that compels me to pray for someone, or say something to someone. So, here is my question: How can I know it is the Holy Spirit, and what are the personal consequences to me of being deceived?

      I thank you for your response.

      • Hi David – great question… I think the overview of what your are asking is “how can we Know”?
        first of all, Id like to say that I too have had knowledge of things before they have happened & also had as you say “thought conversations” with the Holy spirit – sometimes personal revelation too & I believe the Holy Spirit can operate in these ways….

        the bottom line is always the same… The Holy Spirit will always always seek to promote the finished work of the cross of Christ & to bring him glory.. the focus & attention is NEVER about how am amazing a “prophet” I am or how “spiritual”, Holy etc any persons seem to be..

        I think there is a big difference between the spiritual elements of our personal walk with Christ & relationship with the Holy Spirit… in that if any of us feel we have received direct revelation/direction that is up to us to discern individually for ourselves… in a sense our own risk & responsibility.. remember that it is the Holy spirit that brings conviction of sin – enables our humility in order that we may repent & helps us through the sacrifice of Jesus to approach our Holy God – clean

        the kundalini spirit however, as we are beginning to see how it is operating in our corporate meetings… is all about “self”.. of demonstration personal “spiritual” power – it announces the “man” or “woman” rather than Christ. Kundalini in full swing – as im sure you have witnessed is all about the “manifestion” of something – the jerking the shaking – the whooping – wailing – mooing – shouting – vibrating – head shaking.. infact the more intense the manifestation – the bigger the belief that it is God at work… this indicates that – as we have said often on this blog – this whole thing is based on “Experiences” more than it is on faith..

        I think too we have to look at church history, hard pressed too find evidence of this “kundalini” new age style “awakenings” occurring much before 1994. yes the early church had signs & wonders, healings & miracles & these always followed on from the preaching of the gospel of Christ crucified… today, the modern charismatic church is trending to NOT preaching the Gospel. so if no Gospel – what kinds of signs & wonders are we seeing?

        remember that the fruit of the spirit is listed in Galations 5… this movement claims to have God “on tap” as it were – walking in the powerful presence – being “activated”.. if that were really the case we would see a high high standard of fruit of the spirit qualities flowing throughout.. however again & again we see “infidelity” arrogance – power – money making – domination & control – fear mongering etc etc from some of the very top leaders… & in my own circumstances – a senior leader who will NOT submit to anyone &/or be accountable for anything.

        simply, The Holy Spirit will never ever go against anything contained in scripture… we must know – well what the scriptures say as to not be deceived.. that is how to discern & if there be any black & white – that would be it…

  27. First I’d like to say I respect your point of view, and i dont want this to turn into an a arguement.I think your opinion is backed by popular belief and valid thought. So I will only say this. In my opinion, scripture forces us to use the power of our imagination to understand what it means. (Burning bush?) People look too far for God. He isn’t a white male looking down on you from X number of miles up in the atmosphere. He’s been with us the whole time. The idea an intelligent mind was the only thing that could have existed before the material universe came into exsistance is a practical and most likely accurate explanation for why the universe, our consiousness and our study of God even exsist. Self consciousness, is nothing more than a state of identifying “I am.” The first thing to become self conscious was probably the universe itself Thinking “I am light, i am bright light, I am good light. I am expanding light etc.” In my opinion , this means that Createive thought, or immagination, most likely stems directly from, and is one with the source which created the universe. Imagination is a misunderstood word. In english it loses all of its meaning. in your writing you say “they” interoperated scripture to mean something drug related. And no, while the bible does not tell us anything specific about cannabis (most popular argument) it doesn’t prohibit us from using it and encourages happiness and growth toward God. I for one have had spiritual awakenings through the proper and respectful dose of cannabis. Simply on the grounds its alive (containing the spirit molecule) and our brains have an intact cannabinoid receptor system from birth. I don’t think there is anything wrong with it. Likewise, Jesus drank wine. He wasnt an alcoholic. By that same coin, the psilocybin muscroom has been coined “the fruit of the Gods” for as long as humans have had mouths to eat them with. There is no doubt whatsoever they teach you where to find God. This does NOT mean you can’t find God without them, but it does seem to come as more of a shock to people to find out how obvious it is THEY have been God the whole time. To say I think the whole story of Jesus is “made up” or “imagined ” could not be further from the truth. But remember, we as humans had a less evolved mind back then, and its odd the coming of Christ was timed exactly when in recorded history, humans were able to unify their bichameral mind ( Please research) and access their immagination. Of course Jesus lived! Of course the Bible is true. But there is a second, more telling level to be read into by anyone who has Eyes to See.. And that, I assure you few people now days have. Imagination is the act of perceiving thought that seems to come from somewhere else. Most likely, the right brain in most humans. The left brain accounts for logic, ego and literal understanding as well as carrying out basic actions like math etc. But the right brain is only used for things like composing music, art, creative writing and finding direction and desire. Why is it even artisits can’t tell you where its all comming from? The Kudilini energy comes into this picture here because it is that which is symbolic of centeredness. And it unlocks your ability to use your creative mind, and therefore your body, as it was meant to be used. Yes, it is a Hindu teaching. Argument nullified. All relgions are trying to explain why we are flying around on a water covered rock at thousands of miles an hour, orbiting a sun. The odd part is. WE KNOW ABOUT IT. We are self aware to an extent zero other species are. That in and of its self is pretty crazy. All religions hold truth. Science holds truth. The bible holds truth just like the Koran holds truth. The monks are onto something. And we can learn. Book poking is great until you find out you are logically probably one with God, and therefore have to go back to the drawing board. Then you may have an incling to go back and read the double meaning I was talking about shows up the second time. I’ll leave you with this

    “Be still and know that I am God”

    Who is the one talking? A person? Or God? Or is it the same regardless ?:) thanks for hearing me out

    • Christian, I will say only this… the word of God is my ONLY final authority in knowing Truth, who God is & how to be in relationship with him…

      Im wondering if you would take the time the read true Jesus – False Jesus page on this blog… I think it may help expand your thoughts some… thanks for your contribution…


  28. The acts “ministered” were acts of hypnotism. People falling down and mooing?,its all in suggestion. Trance (hypnosis) states are indeed natural. That is to say, not drug or chemicly induced. The kudalini energy is that which flows through and opens your chakras. It too is nothing more than visualization, or self hypnosis, but with unseen biological impact. And in my experience these meditaitive / religious practices can only be u deratood by peooe who already have an open mind. “Book poking” is something done by close minded peoe who can’t understand that every word bible is a metaphor. The story of Jesus, or gods gift of immagination to mankimd, was told in such teachings as “)
    Letting the blind see”. To which the question “which eye?” Seems only suitable yt ask. He encountered the blind everywhere he went. It may be that it was in fact the third eye he healed, not the first and second. This, to me anyway, is a good example of two things.( 1.) Kudalini energy is one and the same as is used to open the third eye and other chakras, which is important to truely understamding who God really is. Therefore does it not follow suit that( 2. ) if Jesus healed the blind, he may have used the same force you ridicule as being of

    • Christian, the angle you are approaching these thoughts is not in line with the scriptures…. Kundalini, the 3rd eye, & opening of the Chakras is all rooted in Hindu teachings & nothing to do with Jesus of nazereth of the Bible..

      suggesting that Jesus was really opening the 3rd eye, in healing of blind eyes, is for me & many others a huge stretch – interpreting scriptures to say what you would like it to say, maybe in order to justify your own position… I simply do not agree as, this power, opening of the chakras, & the kundalini spirit is rooted in Hinduism.. the theme of the bible is all about Jesus…. & these other things simply do not exist in the bible

      you see, He did not need to access any “Power”: He was & is GOD… all he was doing was being obedient to his father – doing what he saw the father doing… he also said that the only way to the father (God) was through himself… Jesus himself then is the ONLY way to understand who God really is, there is NO other way. see when we tap into a life force or power, that is not anything to do with Jesus, when we exclude him, we don’t get to God at all… this is what the bible is teaching… please take the scriptures at face value, there is no hidden secret meanings, that we can interpret at will… there is a group of people who claim that because the bible talks about God being “Most HIGH” it must mean – he is somehow “high” as though being on drugs… how dumb is that…??

  29. I believe I have seen this spirit in action in a small “home church/deliverance ministry”.
    People were manifesting, including a child of 12, and there were all sorts of animal noises going on at one stage. It was awful.

    I can’t stand all the deception about this spirit, and I just hope that people can heed the warnings before it’s too late.:/

    Btw, shared this post on my facebook page and in a blog post. Hope you don’t mind.:)

    • sadly it is too late for some people, they will just not accept even the possibility that they could be being deceived…. yes please please do share – & link back to here… of course I don’t mind.. bless you x

  30. You really need to learn your Bible. Peter “laid hands on them” to receive the POWER of the Holy Spirit, the 3rd part of the One Baptism of the Holy Spirit. There are 3 parts to the Baptism, and you deny the Power of God, just as God said in His Word. False teacher, you certainly are.

    • Hi Peter, just so we are clear, Im not denying the power of God.. not at all…. what we are saying tho is a question, the question is whether what we are seeing imparted here in our meetings & personal ministry sessions is really the power of God or something else… just because its laying on of hands does NOT mean that the Holy Spirit is being imparted… think about REIKI practitioners they claim some of the exact same healing outcomes through the exact same methods we see in the modern church… that has to be worth a question. dont you think?

      I have previously blogged in depth specifically about LAYING ON OF HANDS – check it out here https://rooftopsandrafters.wordpress.com/2013/06/30/laying-on-of-hands/

  31. Comment from this article…http://ceruleansanctum.com/2003/09/charismatic-churches-and-cult-of-new.html

    Samantha wrote, “Well, these “trends” are not only in America. During the years of looking for a good church (ha) I’ve come across more than a few oddities. In one such church all the red flags started going off. No Bible mention, strange French pastors that would circulate the room and slap our foreheads to smite us with “the power of God.” Among other things, they boasted the tooth-fillings being turned to gold and catering to this new-age wave of psychological sermons that do little more than bring up the painful pasts of many, where as Jesus should have given these so-called Christians a clean slate and a new heart. I suppose that what was the the most painful thing to experience was the mis-use of the laying on of hands. The spirit in those rooms was not even a distant 3rd cousin to the Holy Spirit and it was spiritually disturbing to see these young soul’s eyes glaze over as they were “taken”. As a side note, the handful of counselors/leaders of the youth group also made it a weekly practice to lay hands on the doors of the youth’s professors (regardless of the fact that many taught unchristian things and openly scorned God in public) and pray that they guide their children. It was a very sad experience to know that our God, our Father in heaven is being pawned off to such false religions/organizations at the high price of souls.”

  32. Anytime – we see such a teaching leaning towards a “mother” emphasis… we can be sure that the root of it is indeed New Age/paganistic… along with the terms “mother earth” – “mother nature” – Gaia – Goddess Kundalini etc (review above comments of this thread) there is a commonality here.

    I took a bit of time today to check out where this emphasis of Holy Spirit as mother from a theological point of view may have originated from — needless to say – it is a position stemming from 1740 from a Moravian tradition.. promoted by Count Zinzendorf… acclaimed to be one of the first to “thoelogically” bridge the gap between catholicism & protestantism — we could look back & say the beginnings of an ecumenical outlook. … later there occured a theological split between Zinzendorf & the Wesleys..


    Additionally, in the real time instance of dealing with real people who may or may not be “manifesting” as expected or required… this attitude coming from Bethel reveals 2 things:

    1) that “manifestation” is evidence – if you will for the proof that God is at work in ones life – that the person has faith or has been touched by God’s presence in a special way… the implication being that without such “evidences” a person has not received from God satisfactorily… this is anti biblical & guilt/condemnation inducing as well as being totally untrue … I just know there will be people who have not manifested in any manner- including being “drunk in the spirit’ – who will have been made to feel inadequate in these ways. there was an “unsaid” you are not quite “spiritual” enough feeling going on in my circumstances 2010/2011 – coupled with an insiduous – “sensing of resistance to the Holy Spirit” being outwardly spoken over various individuals at times.. the whole M.O is to get others to “manifest” – in fact

    so to you I would say what Paul said in Ephesians 2

    And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. (ESV)

    The truth of our spiritual standing in Christ Jesus has NOTHING to do with “manifesting” anything!

    2) which one of us – whatever our circumstances has not got “mother issues” ? ranging from having a least one bust up one time in our lives with our mother to those mothers who have abandoned & rejected us as a child – or maybe died -.. having “mother issues” applies in some manner at some level to every single person on the planet….

    see this thinking when directed like a fiery dart – enslaves us & keeps us bound to having “ministry” which may or may not be necessary & listening to teachers & others who consistently suggest that we have a root problem in our lives based on – “evidences” or lack of…all of That….. keeps us on a rollercoaster. This has absolutely nothing tho do with proper biblical “spiritual discernment”

    Once we engage with this mentality as individuals we become further sucked into accepting any “thing” that these persons may tell us about our lives. Instead of running to the word of God for the truth about our position in Christ & making a proper biblical response to HIS truth…we get hooked in – to hearing about ourselves & how to make ourselves “spiritually better” – biblically, this is impossible – it is all down to Jesus & his saving grace. Accept & believe..

    It’s concerning- because what we have just outlined about the process of enslavement & bondage is in reality – indoctrination & oppression – these things are NOT kingdom of God ways…

  33. some of us have never been “drunk in the spirit” and I wondered why.

    I was told (at Bethel) that people who don’t manifest have “mother issues” – as in their Sozo ministry they attrib the Holy Spirit to your earthly mother (see Sozo training tapes)

  34. “Several people in the throes of Kundalini awakenings have reported kitchen fires, which they attributed to their own “spacing out” while cooking. One woman undergoing an awakening found her bed on fire when a lit candle fell from the nightstand. Another “barbecued” her house when she left a bag of what she thought were cold fireplace ashes behind her house. The wind fanned sparks and set the back of the house ablaze.
    When St. Teresa of Avila’s Kundalini awakened, she became ill and fell into a death-like coma for four days, during which time a fire broke out in the convent. The week my Kundalini arose, Carl and I were startled in the middle of night by explosive sounds. The house next door (fortunately unoccupied at the time) was a flaming inferno. It burned almost to the ground before firefighters were able to extinguish the blaze.

    In the fourth month of my Kundalini awakening, I had a particularly vivid dream in which the whole city was burning. My father appeared in the dream and, eyeing me suspiciously, asked if I was responsible for the fire. I told him I hadn’t done anything to cause it. In the dream, the conflagration was a natural disaster called a “fire storm”. The next day, recalling the dream, I thought it had been merely symbolic. I had never heard of a “fire storm” except in war devastation. Two months later, a cataclysmic fire storm (as the media called it) raged through Oakland, where I live, destroying 3000 homes.

    Interesting as Todd Bentley shared a similar testimony from platform at lakeland about a very similar event… a full on angelic visitation followed by a devastating fire in a hotel room hours later

    & then there is spontaneous combustion…?

    • Can u link this pastor’s video on spiritual gifts that he is promising to release. I have go through your comments. I am also praying to know the truth on these issues.Thank u

      • Hi Isac, im not sure I can find it however, Mike Hoggard has a wealth of resources on You tube under watchmanbroadcast.com. they are very thorough & well worth a watch on a range of topics – if you have any questions, about Bethel/river movement please feel free to ask away…

  35. Benjamin YES YES YES I believe you have hit the nail on the head here… thank you..

    again & again the scriptures tell us to stay sober, be vigilant…. — “dont be drunk with wine but be filled with the spirit” does not indicate or endorse the symptomatic evidence of “being drunk” & making it Ok just because we are doing it in a christian meeting.. whilst singing songs to God etc etc.

  36. Just a little comment about the manifestation of drunkeness. Has anyone else noticed that when the Bible refers to drunkeness in Isaiah it is associated with God’s wrath, and man’s sin, idolatary and spiritually blindness?
    See Isaiah 19: 14; 24: 20; 29: 9; 51: 17; 51:21. Jeremiah Ezekiel and the Apostle John in Revelation also point to this.
    Specifically it talks about those subject to God’s wrath staggering around.
    Many of those who endourse this “drunkeness”, as a move of God, point to the crowd in Jerusalem believing the Apostles to be drunk after Pentecost. A simple examination of the text indicates that it was because they (the Apostles) spoke in other tongues and were praising God and His works boldly that this mocking assumption was made. In fact it says that Peter stood up to speak, not fell on the ground unable to speak or control himself bcause of laughter and being so “whacked”.
    This drunkeness in gatherings may well be a sign, unfortunately the Scriptures indicate that it might be a sign of an idolatrous and sin-filled church?!
    How blind and deaf we have become to the warnings of God.

  37. Some characteristic Symptoms of Awakened Kundalini

    An excerpt from Devatma Shakti (Kundalini): Divine Power by Swami Vishnu Tirtha.

    Some characteristic symptoms of the awakened kundalini are here given below from Mahayoga Vijãna, a treatise on the subject in Hindi by Shri Yogãnandji Mahãrãja, the author’s revered guru. They are illustrative and by no means exhaustive:-

    The whole body shakes, and the body gets uncontrollable, know then that Kundalini has awakened. You then should give up your assertion and sit witnessing what happens.

    When Your body begins trembling, hair stands on roots, you laugh or begin to weep without your wishing, your tongue begins to utter deformed sounds, you are filled with fear or see frightening visions, think that the Kundalini Shakti has become active.

    When your posture becomes fixed, and the whole body becomes so active that you are unable to sit still, your hands and legs stretch out forcibly, you ought to know that the Divine power of the goddess Kundalini has come into action.

    When you feel the mind experiencing waves after waves of blissful peace, think the Universal Mother Kundalini has come into action.

    In your spinal column you experience vibrations, feeling of bodily existence for the time being is lost, in other words you feel as if there is no body, everything looks vacant, your eyelids become closed and open not in spite of your efforts, electric-like currents seem flowing up and down the nerves and you have convulsions, know that Kundalini has come into action.

    When with the closing of eyelids your body falls to the ground, or begins to rotate like a grinding stone the or lies down like one dead, hands may not be lifted even if so desired, you feel contraction of nerves, you feel as if your life is passing away, Kundalini has come into action.

    When your mind gets influenced spiritually as if some spirit has taken possession of your body and under that influence different postures of yoga are involuntarily performed, without the least pain or fatigue and you feel increasingly buoyant, and simultaneously strange sort of breathing exercises start, think that the Divine power of Kundalini has come into action.

    When no sooner you have sat with eyes closed than in an instant the body begins to show activity of throwing out limbs forcibly, deformed sounds are loudly uttered, your speech begins to utter sounds like those of animals, birds and frogs or of a lion or like those of jackals, dogs, tigers, understand that the Great goddess Kundalini has come into action.

    When you feel vibrations at different points inside your body and feel its flow wherever you fix your attention and nerves begin to show easy jerks like jerks of electricity as if passing through them, know that the goddess Kundalini has come into action.

    When all day and night you feel within your body some activity and whenever you concentrate your mind, your body at once begins to shake or begins tossing and your mind remains filled with joy and bliss at all times, even when at call of nature, even during sleep you feel currents of bliss and even in dreams you experience Her presence, know that the joy-inspiring Kundalini has come into action.

    As soon as you sit for prayers your body begins to shake and in ecstasy of joy you begin to sing hymns in tones of music charming to hear and whose composition and poetry come out involuntarily, your hands giving a rhythmical clapping, and you pronounce languages you know not, but the sound ecstasizes your mind, know that the goddess of speech, has awakened into action.

    When you feel intoxicated without taking any drug, while walking your steps fall majestically or like one drunk and you are unable to do any other work and you like to remain mute and dislike speaking to or hearing others and you feel like one drunk of Divinity, know that your Shakti Kundalini, the power of Self, has come into action.

    While walking, when your mind is filled with an impulse to walk faster and your feet begin to move a running, you feel your body light like air and do not feel fatigued even having walked long enough, you feel buoyant and joyful, you are not unhappy even in dreams, you can keep the balance of your mind undisturbed in all ups and downs, and you acquire an inexhaustible energy for work, know that the Kundalini has come into action.

    When you are in meditation you see visions divine and fall in a dreamy state of mind, have divine smells, see divine figures, feel divine tastes, hear divine sounds and experience divine touch and receive instructions from Gods then understand that the divine power of Kundalini has come into action.

    When you are in meditation, future unfolds its secrets to you or the hidden meaning of scriptures, shine in your understanding, all doubts vanish, you acquire an insight into the meaning of the works on spiritual science even at their first glance, you acquire strange powers of speaking for knowledge and you acquire self-confidence, understand then that Kundalini the bestower of siddhis (occult powers) has come into action.

    When seated for meditation your mind plunges into the ocean of bliss, & you experience pleasure know that subtle power of Kundalini is in action.

    When at morning and evening hours punctually and automatically your body becomes charged with such of the divine influences, and body, mind and spirit become overpowered by Her, know that the Goddess Kundalini is rightly functioning.

  38. definitely watch with your sound OFF!

    Ok he is bashing them with a leafy branch: but watch to the end see how people are beginning to respond… this is a Guru giving Kundalini Shaktipat.

    quite tame & orderly compared to some of the meetings I’ve been in!

  39. informative guide of what kundalini is believed to be in the new age/hindu worldview. when this excerpt talks of “scriptures” it is not referring to the bible & we could easily replace the concept of meditation in the context of soaking prayer… it amounts to the same thing

    all the points in Bold I have either seen in action &/or participated in myself… I repent in Jesus name.

  40. there is such a need for us to pray & have mercy, people need our patience & our forgiveness & of course they need to know the Lord, they also need firm correction in love.. Its quite a shock to have been involved in this mindset for a while to take a step back & realise the error… lets allow room for conviction & repentance

  41. here is a quick video from a lady who was ministered to by a guru named Abdy… She explains all about her experience, in terms of it being magical. she believes she was touched by God, healed from an Ulcer & experienced deep blissful joy… As far as we can tell, she was not a Christian prior to this event or became one because of it as she does not in any way reference her need for repentance for sin … she has been introduced to the feeling of God, rather than the person of GodJesus!

    pray that she may truly find him…

    • The problem with her is that she believes what happened to her is from God. I realise that people like Bill&Beni Johnson really do believe in what they are preaching and so make loads of people walk on the wrong path……and that’s the path to HELL.

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