the offense of the offended


    Jesus  Said

 “You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I tell you, don’t resist an evildoer. On the contrary, if anyone slaps you on your right cheek turn the other one to him also. As for the one who wants to sue you & take away your shirt, let him have your coat as well”    matthew 5 v 38-40

      The way this river rolls, I  observe there is much much teaching  on the culture of honour & dealing with speaking to & for others in extremely positive manner..  All of this is great.  no one want nastiness.
      sadly though, this is leading to a fear of being truly honest sometimes . All tied up with positive confession –  which I discussed on an earlier post…  The balance is of course if only positive “things”  are to be said, to be shared how then does anyone hold anyone else to account – speaking truth in love..  Does not sin fall through the gap sometimes?   Yes I believe that it does..
      the other thing that is tending to occur is that people – now dont know how to take  that Godly “pulling  up”  –  being so accustomed to having “only the positives”  spoken over them… they simply have no idea, truthfully of how to react  – except maybe to dismiss what is being said to them on the basis of its perceived negativity, which might actually be the truth delivered timely, appropriately & with love…
      additionally, Im noticing that many individuals have a hard time sharing at any level those things they may be struggling with..   see in the 24-7 glory Zone where miracles occur all of the time, where positive confession abounds  – the teaching implies that we can just speak over & talk ourselves out of that which we struggle with..  & in young people – this often surounds the issues to do with, identity, self esteem, lusts of the flesh (pornography/ addictions/over eating/over spending)  & self control…  It seems in this environment, if such a one speaks out  his/her struggle with sin –   he/she speaks “declares” these things over himself…  therefore, it is likely,  that they wont do this , these things get repressed, pushed down & a pretense ensues…    This is super dangerous my friends, this belief that we should just speak into it & it should be overcome.  first off –   this whole way of thinking – leads people straight into a sozo inner healing experience – the very second a crack shows… {becasue  of a “they shouldnt be struggling with this” – mentality}   (we have documented about  sozo in this blog)   & second it allows sin to hide in plain site..   either way, a person remains in bondage to these struggles – when there is no proper Godly counsel..
      Todd Bentley, even admits to this, in the interview he did with God TV..  that there is no where to go if one is in leadership & struggling with issues – he is right…   & this is frightening because  here we have the very case study, in this mans life that prooves it…  if he had been able to be dealt with properly, Godly  in full honesty & assurance  that he was not doing wrong for speaking out about his troubles at the right time to the right person, it would have – should have been identified many years ago that help & proper ministry was needed…  This he did not get…  there were other factors involved..  but if such a man as TB  can get to the very top of the movement as a leader with big hidden personal issues & lead the whole charismatic church into a trap on a worldwide stage…   bigger questions need to be asked.  & the scene is set for it this very thing to happen again – other leaders – with unresolved issues –  who will lead many many sheep astray
      Now because of this “positive confession” environment  it seems people are unable or unwilling to hear personal challenge…  Im finding that when  we challenge people about their involvement with Bethel/ NAR  teachings  that they become highly highly defensive & offended…  One women I spoke to personally face to face – went & sulked in the corner.  Just on the suggestion that she check out what she was getting into  on  a “please be careful”  this isnt what it first seems  approach..   the OFFENSE she felt was extreme –  for a church which isnt  even her own..
      what I can conclude from this & other encounters is that once people get strongly sucked into these teachings, they become like “sacred cows” to them…  which they then have to defend through methods of “superior spirituality & elitism”   & no wonder if they are sitting under teachings that tell them they are as “royalty”   the implication being that anyone who does not accept – these things being taught is somehow “lesser”
      I think, to fully encompass what Jesus teaches here in the above scripture, we have to understand that as Christians we will have people who are anti us –  see he also said that the world hated him & that it would hate us too…  to persecution levels…  we should be expecting that…  & because we should be expecting that we surely should be able to deal with minor offenses, & have confidence in seeking Godly counsel for our issues…  allowing someone to sue the pants off you…  with no redress  does not sound like  what “royalty” expects…  & further more, Jesus totally demonstrated this at the cross,  this King of kings allowed himself to be humiliated & laid his life down…   what makes us so special???         –     well actually the answer is only HIM!
      I know & love many people in this movement,  I wouldnt want them to be hurt & offended by anything I have to say..  but the bottom line for me is really that nothing I have to say is as important as the final authority of the word of God..  I love them & care for them, but this means I will speak God’s truth…  One of the reasons this blog is here is because most have turned their back to me now…  the only way I can communicate to the ones I love is through writing this blog

       

         

       

       

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      2 thoughts on “the offense of the offended

      1. Yes Zazzy
        It is imperative that Christians are able to talk to one another and without taking offense.
        The scriptures are full of examples of instruction, correction and even rebuke.
        Jesus did all of this to his disciples and to his enemies.The writers of the Bible did this and the apostles are doing this in their epistles.
        A failure to be able to do this or worse still a refusal to do so immediately identifies a serious problem and a reaction that is not of God.
        James 3 vs 13 – 18 compares godly with ungodly wisdom. One translation describes that which comes down from heaven as ” open to reason “.
        The word of God must be the foundation and the test of our beliefs and practice and all of us who pupport to be Christs must find the grace to submit ourselves to our Lord’s direct teaching and to one another.
        In the end we will each have the responsibility to decide what is right and wrong and what is true or false.
        However if we cannot include in this process the preparedness to listen to one another and consider a challenging word from a brother or sister in Christ then we are in danger of self deception and eventually being led astray by deceiving spirits..
        Derek

      2. If the people in the Bethel/NAR movement/s had the true Holy Spirit in their meetings they would not be able to do anything but either run away or face up to the truth of the sham in their lives. The whole thing is a filthy truce – they operate in a false spirit which is of satan who is very happy for them to keep pretending and harbour sin in their hearts. It is only the work of the authentic Holy Spirit of God Who can convict of sin and bring people to repentance. The only reason anybody would ever get truly saved in a place like Bethel is the same reason anybody would get saved at a football match or at a train station – it would be because God seeks the lost wherever they are. They just need to be at the end of themselves and cry out to Him for help.

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