Going Off the Map!

In this River Movement, as we have seen  – literally anything goes…  in order to justify this; playing down & removing any need for biblical discernment & along with those who who are well endowed in that gifting.   We see clearly, the teaching from BJ that endorses this whole mindset- He writes in When Heaven Invades Earth the following:

Those who feel safe because of their intellectual grasp of Scriptures enjoy a false sense of security. None of us has a full grasp of Scripture, but we all have the Holy Spirit. He is our common denominator who will always lead us into truth. But to follow Him, we must be willing to follow off the map—to go beyond what we know. (Johnson: pg 76)  


 But in reality, the Bible is a closed book. Anything I get from the Word without God will not change my life. It is closed to insure that I remain dependent on the Holy Spirit. (Johnson: pg 93  )

of course we will weight this against the actual scriptures which say:

Deuteronomy 2 v 12 :  Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it.  (ESV)

1 corinthians 4 v 4  Apostle Paul writes

And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.  (KJV)

clearly  we see here Paul teaches the early church-  not to go with the teachings of men – but to ground, weigh, test everything against the scriptures..

In effect, any of us can indeed make the Holy Spirit say – anything–  with which ever twist & slant & bias  we could wish to accentuate it with..  Paul is saying that scripture is the final authority..  the yardstick…by which we must do the measuring of our own lives, our attitudes & beliefs as well as any teachings we are being asked to “buy into”     –   Our study of the word then is exceptionally important – as if we do not know what it says – we will not be able to live it out, test out or even have faith in our hearts for what is true..   we have no built in “yardstick” if we don’ t actively build it in….

Anyone who now teaches that this is not the case  is deluded & is actively leading others down that same delusional, deceptive path..  there is an implication here from the page 93 quote that the WORD & the SPIRIT are separate…    this is not quite the case as the Holy Spirit will always honour the word  – the living word of course being described in John 1 as Jesus himself..      –  the trinity father, son & spirit  – are in total relationship with each other – at no point will we ever find contradiction or confusion between them –  we cannot therefore, have the word without the Holy spirit  or indeed the Holy Spirit without the word… –  there is complete mutual submission between all  & the “Godhead”  will never go against his word – He is perfect in every way…

John 16  v 8 – 15   Jesus talks about the promise of the Holy spirit coming & the purposes of that:

 And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

12 “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 But when He,the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

we see from the passage:

The Holy Spirit comes to

  • convict us of sin –   (principles of which contained in the word)
  • to promote right standing with God (through repentance    (defined through the word & actioned through the promotion of Christ’s saving grace)
  • helps us to  identify & recognise deception  through discernment & helps us practically to overcome evil/oppression in the world  (deception & evil being defined by the word)
  • speak God’s words  – he himself does not  “go off the map”  (always matches up with scripture under New Covenant principles)
  • Glorify Jesus  – above everything ( doesnt seek any glory or praise for himself)
  • reveal that which is of God & make it known to our hearts… ( is prophetic – a counsellor- but always in submission to the above points)

When we see some leaders presenting the Holy Spirit differently  in contradiction to this overview  – it has to be time to ask some serious questions…  about whether it is the Holy Spirit  or a deceptive False demonic spirit acting as an imposter…

furthermore – if there is accusation of being “too religious”  or having a “religious spirit” for demonstrating sincere weighing of experiences & expressing caution before accepting anything that is promoted as of the Spirit of God  – that when tested is left wanting in light of the scriptures – this is a huge red flag  & a “check” in the spirit  that things have indeed   “gone off the map”


further reading:        http://www.echozoe.com/archives/2519


3 thoughts on “Going Off the Map!

  1. There’s been a long tradition (error) in charismatic circles to pray to the Holy Spirit and to worship Him but, as you’ve pointed out Zazzy, this is not what we are to do.

  2. It is a serious thing to mess with Gods word, or to ignore it!

    It always amazes me to read the account of how the Torah scroll was literally rediscovered from within the temple. The people had strayed so far that temple building had become a priority, and yet the law was abandoned and forgotten hidden in a cupboard or store room. King Josiah wept when it was read to him, it was almost an innovation. 2 KIngs 22:11 The same will happen again when the full and authentic gospel is once again preached….its as if that precious life changing message of salvation from Heaven, has similarly been abandoned and forgotten, because as Christians we rather preferred entertainment and self affirming messages instead, or wanted the world to become our friend, or wanted perpetual spiritual encounters and charismatic experiences…

    It also amazes me to see people such as Rob Bell and Brian Mclaren in the present day attempting to redefine the Bible, by aggressively questioning or challenging its orthodox principles, reinterpret it, refashion it to their own preferences, edit out the awkward or uncomfortable bits, distort it, add mystical flavours and eastern elements and so forth.

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